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Session #104 – August 14, 1988
Gloria’s Circle
Present: Betty Welty, Ida Nevala, Jean Chisholm, Myra Perala, Owen Cramer,
Sidney Smither, Jnana Sivananda, Joni Schultz, and Peter Valiton
Meeting opened with the three AUMs, invocations and humming. Invocations
inadvertently started with Gabriel, then re-started with Khamael. After several minutes,
Gloria announced that she was out of sync this morning. She indicated there was some
kind of “something going on” and suggested we hold hands and “try to pass some
harmonizing energies around the circle”.
In a few minutes she said, “Let’s try this. If you will all join hands in the right
way (Right palm up, Left palm down), and those of you on the ends connect your thumb
and middle fingers, we will try to pass some harmonizing energies around the circle.
There just seems to be so many noisy thoughts. In your minds, each of you repeat the
phrase over and over, “Rest and relax, rest and relax.”
Gloria: I just can’t get into the frame of it. Let’s just begin to talk about the
lessons, about what the latest subject matter is.
Owen: One of the points that we were discussing at the Friday study group was
the relation of the Fire Body, Air Body, Water Body, Earth Body to the Subtle Bodies.
This was something we didn’t completely settle. Jnana and I were talking about it on the
way here. Jnana, why don’t you explain that? In your terms it sounded good as to the
relationship to the astrological aspects.
Jnana: According to my understanding, water relates to sensitivity and feeling,
and Sheariam said that is how she made the contact through Gloria, through the Water
Body. Also, the word “air” connotes communication and mental processes, and that was
also involved in the communication with Gloria. Therefore, I would tend to relate the
Water Body with the Emotional Body and the Air Body with the Mental Body.
Myra: And the Fire Body is connected to the Rod, and all of them are recessive.
Owen: That might be related to the Spark of Life, the Energy of Life, which
comes through the Rod: Divine Fire.
Myra: Those are called the “elemental environment”. When you get up to
Knowledge (on the wheel) those four interact and develop Self Knowledge which is
divided into four things. There is the Experiential, Observed, Theoretical, and Empirical
Knowledge. We had quite a discussion about the different kinds of knowledge last Friday
night. The Empirical Knowledge is really experiential, but it’s Experiential that’s had lots
of experiences to develop a knowingness that is based on experience, because the first
experience isn’t Empirical Knowledge. It takes a whole lot of experiences to develop it.
Gloria: But Empirical Knowledge can be knowledge that is not in your
experience. Collective knowledge like the data that the whole system of astrology is
based on is empirical, because it is the result of the experiences of, what you might
say, very early psychologists observing human behavior, and the scientists and the
mathematicians. The psychologist might not have the mathematics or the
experience, but he can use the Empirical Knowledge gathered by the
mathematician. The mathematician may not have the sensitivity of the psychologist,
but can use the Empirical Knowledge gained by the psychologists in their sharing of
information. So Empirical Knowledge is collective knowledge that the universities
and colleges are based upon.
Experiential Knowledge is that knowledge that you gain for yourselves. Now
Empirical Knowledge says that the stove with the burning fire within it, is hot. But
Experiential Knowledge is gained when you put your hand near the fire and feel the
heat for yourself. So Empirical Knowledge takes a degree of faith in the expertise of
those who have put that data together. (Gloria speaking softly with eyes closed and
arms resting on chair arms and hands upward with each thumb touching middle fingers.
By this time we realize that it is someone other than Gloria speaking. We have just met a
new and as yet unknown teacher, who did not introduce him/herself.)
Theoretical Knowledge requires a faith in an indefinable source of
knowledge. When you receive an inspired idea, if you don’t have faith that there is a
reservoir from which such ideas can come, then you reject that idea out-of-hand
without giving it any opportunity to prove itself. So Theoretical Knowledge is
knowledge that you extract from that Mental Sea in which all race memories reside.
As the first level of the Karmic Wheel exists, it contributes knowledge to that
Mental Sea, which then later one can draw upon, if one has the faith that such
knowledge exists.
In rejection of such knowledge you are denying that cellular consciousness
exists, because cellular consciousness depends upon that first platform of the
Karmic Wheel. It is what you might say ‘primary knowledge”. Without that
knowledge a cell would be unable to formulate itself into what it needs to be.
At the point of fertilization the single cell contains all knowledge of what it
ultimately is going to generate, and it is through that knowledge which resides in the
memory of the race that enables the cell to become the complex organic structure
which its fertilization deems it to become, so that an animal cell will only produce an
animal-like creature, and a plant cell will always produce a plant-like creature. It
happens because the first four steps have provided the Mental Sea with the
information which that Ratio of Volition and Consciousness may call upon to
become what it’s destined to be.
Without that organic structure, the second platform of the Wheel of Karma
cannot be entered, because it takes the construction of a complex organic structure
to begin to build a Desire Body. It is through the Desire Body that still more
complex organic structures fulfill the needs of the cellular consciousness. So the
Desire Body is a connecting link between cellular consciousness and the interaction
of the Mental and Creative Seas which are bestowed upon this particular
manifestation. (Ed. Cell goes through desiring to access information and creative ideas.)
As a complex organic structure continues to complexify, it begins to build the
Emotional Body, which contains the attitudes and habits developed by the
interaction between the Desire Body and the Mental and Creative Sea.
While the Desire Body’s needs can be ameliorated to accommodate greater
Ratio of Volition to Consciousness, they cannot be eradicated. The habit patterns
and attitudes programmed into the Emotional Body can be eradicated and replaced
by those stances which Volition wants in order to accomplish the Self goals.
The first step a candidate might take to proceed along the Path of Initiation
requires the examination of those “needs” in the Desire Body which need
modification. Modification is a movement towards expulsion of needs from the
Desire Body that override good intentions. The avenue towards discovery of these
“needs” which require modification is through examination of the attitudes and
habit patterns in the Emotional Body.
You were instructed to examine yourselves with respect to those attitudes
and habit patterns which prevent you from accomplishing what you wish to
accomplish. In processing Self, one’s main focus needs to be directed toward
discovery of True Life Goals, which can only be achieved when certain inhibiting
habit patterns and attitudes are eradicated and replaced by those which are
supportive and productive.
In the coming changes, the major thrust of change in your societal structure
will be that the focus of endeavor lies on the development of human potential.
During your recent history of industrial revolution, the focus has been on
technological advancement in competition in the generation of controlling power.
The future rests upon the re-focus so that endeavor has the power of exchange as a
by-product with the primary goal of human potential development. There are now
steps being made in that direction with the social programs of child development.
Human awareness has finally encompassed the fact that the ultimate life
product depends upon the early developmental processes. You, as adults, are now
having to deal with those developmental processes which concerned themselves with
preparing you for a competitive society, where the goal or the criteria of success is
that of money as a means of power, the control of substances which are needed for
ongoing life on the planet.
As human potential develops, progresses, greed will no longer be
programmed into the Emotional Body of youth. Youth will come to know that it is
Interest and Enthusiasm that is the dynamic of living, not the avarice for power. It
will no longer be important for one to achieve the status of outstanding influence in
one’s society, but there will be a return to the initial status of human beings when
they were first designed, that all are equal, not equal in potential, but equal in
opportunity.
You who are now presenting yourselves as candidates for the Pathway of
Initiation have much to overcome before you can treat your fellows on the basis of
equality, accepting each at whatever level of understanding and growth of Volition
he or she may be found. You each have been trained to set up expectations of each
other and of your society. These expectations must be recognized for what they are.
Those that are inappropriate must be dispensed with.
Now upcoming lessons for you will have to do with Self Processing. Before
the lessons on the Third Platform of the Wheel of Karma can be continued, you
have some growing to do, some weeding out, some decisions to reach, for you may
choose to not enter upon that difficult path.
It was intended in this meeting that you would be taken into the temple, to
the Candidates’ Room, where you will meet your new teacher, who will give you
your first experiences as Candidates for Initiation. There are circumstances which
are beyond individual control which have altered our reach and brought elementary
disturbance to this consciousness.
So we are feeding this through in this manner. We would ask that you make
serious effort to examine those primitive urges which bring you to say and do things
which you later regret. This will be the basis for your first steps of Self Processing.
In Self Processing you come to know your Life Goals. Some term these goals as
one’s mission in life, but indeed it goes far beyond that to encompass what you are,
why you are here at this particular moment in the history of your planet, what you
may or may not do in order to fulfill your deepest mobilizers, those deepest reasons
for entering this life span, and what your contribution is that you want to make to
the future of the following generations.
In Self Processing you discover how you can best meet that challenge, and
this Self Processing, in which we will assist you, will take some period of time, a
great deal of focus and effort on your part. We, in turn, will do all possible to meld
with the consciousness of the channel to overcome these inhibitions which have
interfered today. We appreciate your patience and your accommodations to the
altered manner.
Now because there is such stress present, we will ask you to go directly into
meditation with us.
Breathe deeply and relax your bodies. Regard, if you will, the Central Sun of the I
AM as being like the solar body of your sun. As earthlings, you depend upon your
solar body to provide you with life-giving warmth, light, and what you call energy.
Regard the Central Sun of the I AM in the same manner.
It enlivens you with Divine Fire. It promotes your vigor and well-being, and
sustains you in all ways. It is the light of your understanding. It is the source of your
ongoingness. Visualize yourselves as an orbiter, even as your planet orbits the
central solar body, turning its face around and around, so do you orbit the center of
your beingness. Sometimes you face that center with one face, and other times with
other faces, but never doubting that Central Sun of the I Am is there holding you in
you orbit, helping you to turn, to revolve around the central sun of your own
individuality.
Feel the warmth of the Sun of the I Am, as it warms your various faces and
invigorates the carbon body which you wear. Feel the warmth entering through the
top of your head, filling all the brain cells, moving throughout the central nervous
system, warming and invigorating all of the tissue cells, of the muscles, and the
ligaments, and the bones, warming to the very marrow of your bone structure,
giving force and strength to the cells which make up this complex organic structure.
And in that warmth you can be totally at peace.
Like the planetary body that reflects the light of the solar body, you are a
reflector of the Sun of the I Am. You emanate that light from the central core of
your beingness. You are greater than the planet which you inhabit, for you do not
merely reflect the light of the Sun of the I Am, you are of that light. So you emanat
that light. In your various faces you pass on that radiance, that truth of beingness.
Now with this thought, this vigor, this vitality, you can emanate the vibration
of equality, of peace, of harmony, of acceptance of all life forms, as having as much
justification to be as you have. All life forms that you can know are warmed and
invigorated by the same Sun of the I Am that so imbues you with vigor and strength.
As you go about your daily concerns, return in thought to this sense of
centeredness with knowledge of the invigorating force of the Sun of the I Am.
Whenever you doubt, whenever you are uncertain, whenever you seek a pathway,
turn your face to the Central Sun of the I Am. Seek in that central truth, the
knowledge of your beingness which reveals then to you what you need to know, and
directs your feet along the path of your own life goals.
Now from that center of peace and vigor emanates into this atmosphere of
your planet that sense of peace, of equality, of brotherhood. Pass it to your loved
ones. Pass it to the rest of the population of the planet. Most especially, pass it to
those who at times you feel you do not love. When you feel antagonistic, angry, or
even hatred, pass through the warmth and vigor of the Sun of the I Am.
And now I bid you love each other and go in peace until we again come
together. And so it is done.
Sidney: Do you think that was Sheariam?
Gloria: I don’t know. I was conscious all the time. I did not go anywhere, but
it was like I could hear this, and then I repeated it.
Owen: I was wondering if it might be Judith.
Sidney: Well, it had a voice like Judith, all right.
Myra: We’re supposed to meet a new teacher.
Gloria: They’ve been telling me that for quite a while, since before we
disbanded.
Joni: Is this the first time that it has really been mentioned that we are
candidates for initiation?
Gloria: No, that began when the circle first began.
Betty: Before I think it was said on the ‘path to Initiation”. This was much
stronger.
Sidney: We’ve been called “initiates”. It’s just taken six years to where we’re
having our first ceremony. Our candidacy is now being discussed a little more seriously.
Jnana: But we have to work a little bit.
Myra: A lot, according to this. We have to examine what it is that is preventing
us from going on, and then expel that. But we have to come to consciousness what those
thoughts are, urges and attitudes, that are holding us back.
Betty: (Wondering about the compulsory actions, the compulsions.)
Gloria: What is it that manifests in that way? Is it loneliness, or is it being
unloved or unfulfilled?
Myra: Or just a plain old habit of getting…
Owen: It’s an expression of doing your own thing, when maybe you’re in an
environment where that’s a little bit difficult to do.
Gloria ; Would that be defiance, maybe?
Owen: Of course, Fritos are enjoyable!
Gloria: Well, up to a point.
Group: (Discussion of why we keep on eating beyond enjoyment.)
Myra: What part of the Wheel are we on?
Sidney: We’re between Impulsion, Compulsion, Propulsion, and Expulsion. I think
Propulsion is what keeps us stuffing it in.
Gloria: I think that’s Compulsion. I think Propulsion is what, once we’ve
established the Desire Body, the Propulsion is what makes us want to move to the
Third Platform. We’ve reached the point now where we must expel… (Overlapping
voices obscured the ending of the sentence.)
Myra: But until we know what they are, we really can’t do it. Examine our
“wants” as compared to our “needs’.
Gloria: Well, go back to the “needs” (not Purposes such as Survival, etc.)
Instinctual needs: Identity, Space, Union and Status.
Myra: Those are Instinct, but they develop out of “needs” which develop
Instincts. She talked about those being the activities of the Desire Body, the need for
Identity, the need for Space. They’re sort of on the way, and when they get fully
entrenched, then they’re Instincts, as I understand it.
She spoke about Secondaries, Tertiaries, and Quartinaries which we may never.
(Mention of Capacity, Ability and Potentiality).
Betty: Friday night we brought up a lot more questions than we resolved.
Gloria: That’s good. That’s what a study group is all about.
Sidney: We spent two Friday nights from seven to nine, and each time we went
three pages, and then we finally decided to read the rest.
Betty: Without comment, which we did not read “without comment”. The
thought just came through to me that these “needs”, the Status and Union – what I’m
doing now with them is rather going back to the basic needs of the whole being. They
have become so gross. You’ve got to do this to keep up your status with the Joneses.
You’ve got to earn so much money. You’ve got to graduate from college. You’ve got to
do this, rather than be secure in your status as a “child of God”.
What we’ve got to this point is the basics. My feeling is that it’s out of proportion
totally. Union, rather than touching. Initially and otherwise, union has to be a physical
partner in this society right now. (Group remarks.) That’s what I’m saying. Society
judges you if you don’t have a one-on-one partner, because we have set this up. As
Richard Bach says in his birthday book, the whole point of the book as a child’s book is
(some words omitted). The whole thing is to paint mentally. I don’t need to go physically,
because mentally I’m already there. I think this is part of establishing our union with the
divine through the upper realms to The Absolute. Then we don’t have to verify our OK-
ness by having one physical partner.
Myra: Somebody said they thought the most common addiction in this world is
addiction to another person. (Comment about loss of self esteem).
Jnana: One interesting thing to note is the similarity of the word “alone” to the
two words “all one”.
Gloria: That’s like “atonement” and “at-one-ment”.
Jnana: In order to be all one you have to be alone.
Gloria: That’s union. That’s Cosmic Consciousness, Silverthistle’s
Singularity.
Jnana: It’s the big one. It’s not a small one.
Gloria: That’s how the prophets could be singular because they were
at one with the greater.
Myra: They were at one with their higher self.
Gloria: There’s another aspect of Union. We have to be united within
ourselves.
Jnana: That’s a process of throwing away all the separation that we self-impose.
Myra: It still won’t happen unless we consciously choose it to happen. We can
have those habits that keep us from developing, habits of action.
Gloria: I think one of the hardest things to deal with is the fact that some of
our attitudes and habit patterns we bring along with us karmically, and we have
chosen a particular personality to express that through. I relate that to astrology for
myself. I chose to be born at a time that gave me Libra as the ascendant. Libra is the
sign of the characteristic of partnerships, so that I do not meet circumstances in
terms of being alone and doing things solely by myself.
If there is an opportunity for some kind of activity, it’s always “Let’s go eat.”
“Let’s go to the show.” I never think of “I’m going. Come along if you want.” That’s
not the way I meet things. I’m having to learn how to be more self-aware and not
depend on having someone to support my activities. It’s an addiction. And that is
why the whole history of my life in partnership has been lack of success.
The partner has always exploited. They have taken all the money or they’ve
taken all the power, because I have given it. I think one of the things that has been
happening with me is an understanding of why Noreta Finney came into my life. She
was the final lesson in that. She painted a whole canvas for me that I wouldn’t have
seen, I think, through anyone else. After two years of letting my brother drain off
every dime of income, every dime of my inheritance, everything, I still hadn’t
learned the lesson. It wasn’t until Noreta came along and she reflected that. It was
like I could see that through her eyes instead of seeing it directly.
In this last year, since the heart attack, I recognize these thoughts when they
arise. When I say, “Oh, I can’t do that. I don’t have anybody to do it with,” I say,
“Yes. You can.” Now I run my shop all by myself. I do everything from hauling the
paper to hauling the garbage. The people come in and they say, “Do you run this
shop all by yourself?” Like they believe that a sixty-year-old little old lady can’t do
that. I am doing it. I’ve come into my own power. But it took me sixty years to get
around to the realization that’s what I was supposed to be doing. (Complimentary
remarks.)
I really have difficulty dealing with the experience of Noreta, because there
had been such high hopes for Temple Publications and for so many things to happen
in that relationship. It went totally the other direction. And I thought “why? Why?”
I can understand losing for myself, but losing for Temple and for the circle, and
there were so many other people involved in that loss, at least in my view of it.
Finally, now, the teachers, through my source, have told me that was my last
karmic obligation. I had committed to her to give her this opportunity. I gave her
the opportunity, and I did everything I could financially and personally to be
supportive, and she used that support to do something else, to support other goals.
I’m through. (Expression of joyous relief.) So her coming was a blessing, and I hope
that ultimately everyone else can see that process.
Joni: I had the feeling that in the messages that we got today they were saying
that the growth in human potential that we are going to be moving away from the whole
greedy monetary mine-mine, your-yours attitude to let’s share and let’s have an energy
exchange rather than a monetary exchange. I’ve found in my work that’s the most
rewarding thing to me, when I can do something for someone and have them do
something for me in return. Emotionally it’s much more fulfilling to me than receiving
cash. We’re not in a society yet where we can do that totally, but I can see it coming, and
I love it. I think it’s very special. Did anyone else pick that up?
Jnana: I think it was even stronger than that. It said that the children are getting
that just now, but that we have to reckon with it in our own minds and our own emotions.
Betty: The fascinating part was that it was built into the cellular structure even.
Gloria: I think that economically within the next five or six years we’re going
to see the demise of the stock market as it now exists, and a lot of corporate
structures are going to go down the tube. There will be a rebuilding kind of like at
the time the masses demanded employers, before the real unionism began, but child
labor laws and the recognition that not everyone is able to produce equal products
and the human right of not having to work in water up to your ankles and all the
things that have given rise to ecological concerns about non-toxic substances in the
work place and in our schools and things like that.
We are going to see a real enhancement economically of that kind of
application. I don’t know if I’m making myself clear or not.
Myra: You’re talking about the coming changes.
Gloria: Yes. Economically I see major, major changes. I think probably
within the next six years cash will not change hands as it does now. It will be
electronic and everyone will have debit cards for your cash, and (Comment that this
is what the Visa Cards are all about.)
Peter: That’s fine, but that won’t be forever either, because once you get your
earth changes with the phone system down, there goes your cash society.
Gloria: Yes, that’s right.
Peter: Without phones your computers don’t work.
Gloria: That’s why Source has been telling me since early 70’s to save silver,
and why I’m telling people when they ask what to invest in, buy bullion, buy gold
and silver bullion, that you can later exchange for goods and services that you’re
going to need and won’t be able to get any other way.
Because we are no longer in a civilization where we can do direct barter. Our
needs have changed so. We’re so accustomed to technological advances that no
longer can I do your dishes while you sit my child. We have come into a monetary
exchange for those kinds of things, and we’re not going to get rid of that mentality
anytime soon, certainly not within six years. But I see the economic environment
changing to where we will go through a period, and it may be a period of 25 to 50
years, in which we will live with debit cards, electronic exchange. Outside of total
planetary destruction, our telephone lines are not going to be down that long. We
now have radio so we don’t depend on cable. We have satellites. We have all kinds
of subtle energy transmission that can take over at the snap of a finger.
Betty: I have the thought that our society is completely reversed, where the
salaried money goes in our value system, like day care providers, are just paid a pittance.
I mean it’s really ridiculous. Our teachers are paid ridiculous amounts.
Gloria: Day care will become an ordinary fringe benefit of the corporate
structure just as medical care is now. Vacation times, etc.
Betty: Then we have baseball players and football players…. (overlapping voices
and change of tape).
Gloria: That will cease, too.
Betty: Garbage collectors are paid so much more than our teachers.
Gloria: They will be recyclers. We won’t have garbage pickup like we have
now.
Joni: The news is that you’re seeing us continue beyond six years. You’re
seeing us continuing on out into the future where we’ve been told that we might not.
Betty: Is that really good news?
Joni: It’s nice to know that we’re doing well enough now that we’re able to
continue… (Interrupting laughter when Owen got a leg cramp while changing tapes).
Short Break. Then we resumed with a discussion of Gloria’s voice during this session.
Gloria had sat with eyes closed, with thumb to middle finger on each hand, and had
spoken very softly.
Myra: But really when you first started talking, I thought, I was just sure, that
you were trancing then.
Gloria: That wasn’t trance as I know trance.
Myra: Well, channeling.
Gloria: Well, channeling, definitely because I was hearing and repeating what
was told to me.
Myra: When you first started talking, were you repeating what you were hearing,
or did you talk from your consciousness?
Gloria: I’m not sure.
Joni: You told us to gather and join hands.
Gloria: OK. I don’t remember what was said last.
Myra: And then you told us to just discuss our lessons.
Joni: Just to start talking about what we’ve been studying.
Sidney: Then Owen said something, and then you talked non-stop for an hour.
(Laughter.)
Joni: The phraseology is so perfect from the teachers and from all the temple.
It’s absolutely flawless.
Myra: Incredible
Gloria: That’s what Richard always says.
Myra: It’s beautiful.
Betty: Did you feel like it was coming from one entity, one being, or did you
have any feeling of that?
Gloria: I felt a force field. That’s the only way I can explain it to you. Instead
of a personality, this was more like a force field that I felt. But I suggested that you
begin talking because I know that as soon as I begin discussing any of these things
with anybody, here they come. I felt that if you began talking, if it didn’t help me, it
would help them.
Jean: I thought that when you made the transition was when you began to talk
about theoretical knowledge.
Myra: She talked about Empirical Knowledge before that, and I thought she was
in….
Jean: I didn’t think it was then, because…..
Gloria: I remember something about Empirical Knowledge. You said
something about Empirical Knowledge being something, and all of a sudden I felt,
“No that’s not right.”
Jean: And you said Empirical Knowledge comes from the Divine and the
expertise of those who put it together. Now at that time, I thought that you were Gloria.
Then right after that, you began, “Theoretical Knowledge is from an indefinable source
of knowledge. If you get an idea and then have faith that the thought…”
Gloria: Yeah, that probably was the beginning.
Jean And I thought that was the transition because then you went on…
Joni: Look at this (referring to her notes). Theoretical Knowledge, that’s where
I started taking notes. I thought, “OK. So that’s probably…
Jnana: Right before that you were talking about the stove being hot and
requiring…
Gloria: That was me. That’s one of my favorite similes.
Betty: And I thought, when you were talking about “empirical”, I thought, “Oh,
there’s Gloria pulling out of her vast encyclopedia again. I’ve got to write it down.
Owen: Do you see “empirical” as being, in effect, the opposite from vicarious?
Vicarious is that you learn from somebody else’s telling.
Gloria: No. I think one aspect of Empirical Knowledge is vicarious
knowledge.
Betty: “Vicarious” is the opposite of “experiential”.
Gloria: Yes. (Others agree.)
Betty: What we needed was your input Friday night. That would save quite a bit
of time.
Myra: A lot of time!
Gloria: Well, I can’t be all places simultaneously!
Myra: There was another four words that she gave us last time which we didn’t
talk about and that was the kinds of Knowledge. She talked about Observed Knowledge
and Fabricated Knowledge.
Gloria: Yes. Fabrication, and that’s not bad…
Jnana: All the systems that we develop are fabricated. (Agreement.)
Myra: (Having searched through her notes.) Got it!: Remembered, Learned,
Inspired and Fabricated.
Owen: That’s right. She said that fabricated doesn’t mean that’s negative.
Myra: Truly fabricated.
Joni: “Remembered”. Is that other lives, potentially, or is that what we learn in
school that we retain?
Gloria: I think “Remembered” includes all memory.
Myra: That’s the cell memory.
Gloria: Not solely cell memory, but all memory.
Myra: But wouldn’t that be the beginning? That’s sort of the seed of all the
other…
Gloria: Oh, yeah, sure. That’s the first thing that happens.
Myra: Observed Memory is when you look at something. It wasn’t necessarily
experienced. You just observed. Maybe that’s vicarious memory. I was thinking of
immediate experience.
Gloria: You’re talking about Knowledge, not memory. Vicarious Knowledge
would be Jean saying to me, “If you put your thumb here, and you put your finger
there, something will happen.” It becomes Experiential Knowledge when I do it.
Owen: Most of our college education is out of the textbook. That’s vicarious.
Someone else has done it. Except in the lab where they have you do something.
Gloria: Except the body of Knowledge is Empirical.
Myra: Supposed to be Empirical. I think some textbooks are totally fabricated.
(Laughter.) Certainly our history textbooks are. Fabricated Knowledge, to me, would be
the kind of creation that we do when we go into meditation and visualize something and
create it. That’s Fabricated Knowledge.
Gloria: I got another aspect of that when I thought about Fabricated
Knowledge. If I’m thinking about a particular subject, what it might be, and I get
Jean’s viewpoint, and I get your viewpoint, and I get Sidney’s viewpoint, and I put
those all together, I fabricate a consensus for myself, which might not be the
consensus you’d reach from getting the same knowledge.
Jean: That’s the way I thought it was. My frustration was that if you need to
know something, you read everything about it. You gather it all together. You meditate.
Then you come out, and it all is together.
Gloria: I don’t think that meditation is essential to fabrication. I can
concentrate on something and with no inspiration, fabricate.
Jean: I think either one of them.
Betty: But when you go on beyond, when you take that meditation and the
creativity and go on, I think that’s when you get into synergy, where you take something
and turn it all into something totally different, and put it together, or add something new
to it. That’s synergy.
Jean: Create a new one for old information. It’s really a creative kind of thing.
Betty: That’s fabrication.
Jean: Everything that goes into it has been already, but it’s put together in a new
way.
Gloria: Like taking two principles that have been used in different
applications. You put them together, you get a third application, and that’s
fabrication. They sure never leave us without something to think about.
Jean: One other thing they said, that I thought was interesting: that greed was no
longer being programmed to the youth, no longer being programmed into the Emotional
Body.
Sidney: I can think of an exception or two! (Laughter.)
Jean: In the new age, greed will no longer be programmed in the Emotional
Body.
Jnana:It’s replaced by interest and enthusiasm. (Agreement.)
Jean: In the future, there will not be avarice for power. It will no longer be
important to achieve status in society and will return to the... And there’s where I didn’t
get something.
Joni: I have “interest and enthusiasm will be the dynamic of living, not avarice
for power. It will no longer be important for one to achieve status of outstanding
influence in society. The initial status of humans will be that all are equal, not equal in
potential, but equal in opportunity.”
Betty: What does that mean?
Gloria: Well, some of us can play “Chopsticks” and some of us can play
“Chopin”, but we all have the opportunity to play.
Jnana: I think it was pretty important that they stated that currently we equate
power with money, therefore in the new age we’re gong to equate power with something
else.
Gloria: I think you’re right. Or maybe the power of dominance will become
recessive, and the power of personal actualization will become predominant.
Sidney: That’s probably the true meaning of dominance anyway.
Gloria: Self-Mastery.
Jean: When I heard that, I thought very much about my hours with my three
little granddaughters yesterday. I’d gone to a garage sale, and they had a lot of things,
clothes that fit them, and so I bought some of them. I came home, and the kids were
there, so then I took them back.
It was very interesting to watch them, because as we looked things, they asserted
themselves, but they weren’t greedy. They were willing to share, and if one wanted a
little bit more, relinquish. The whole time it seemed they were very willing to share and
say, “OK, you want it, you can have it, and I’ll get the next one”, or something like that.
It was a nice atmosphere. I felt good, and they were real happy. There was no need for
me to settle anything about who got what.
At the time I wondered “How has this come about? What has happened with these
kids, they’re so… Is it the way that they were trained, or what?”
Myra: New Age child, although I’ve got some neighbors who are certainly not
there.
Jean: But then the other thing is that actually, they’ve had so much. In a time of
plenty, there’s always food. If there’s not one kind of food, there’s another kind. But
they’ve never been hungry.
Gloria: I’ve seen children that have lived in a total environment of abundance
who are still excessively greedy.
Betty: I was going to say that the mental attitude of not having the want, or that
poverty feeling. Financially, maybe they never experienced that, at any rate. People who
are very poor, if they have the attitude that they have everything they need, approach
everything differently. (General agreement.)
Jean: These children, if you look at them, you don’t think they are over-
privileged, but one of the little girls came home from a beautiful new house and she said,
“Oh, they have a nice big house like ours.” Her concept of where they were was equal to
this other terrific living place.
Jnana: Living from an attitude of Comfort rather than of Survival or Security. I
think that’s the difference between them and the person that was abundant, but wasn’t
comfortable.
Myra: Felt that he had to survive, even though he had plenty. I would like to talk
about Dimensions, multi-dimensions. A week ago we tried to list all the different
dimensions that we have been told about, and we came up with ten of them. (Gloria:
You did?!) I thought I’d like to share those with you. Of course, there’s the first three:
Height, Width or Breadth, and Depth or Length. But then there was Time, and the
dimension of Density. Those were the first two that they told us about. And then degree
of Intensity. Then they talked about Depth of Thought, so “depth” there would be
different from “length”. (Gloria: Or spatial depth.) Because it’s a depth of thought. And
then they talked about Freedom as a dimension, and Openness, which would sort of go
along with Freedom, but not necessarily be the same. (Gloria: (Agreeing) No, a person
can be totally encapsulated by something and still have an openness.)
Sidney: And you can be open without necessarily being free within that openness.
Myra: So there’s a difference. And then, the tenth one was Progressive
Suggestibility. (Gloria: Oh? Where did that one come from?) I don’t know where that
came from, but I wrote it down as a dimension. But remember she said we must learn to
recognize that we live in a world of multi-dimensions.
Gloria: Yes. They’ve promised, several times, that they’re going to teach us
how to think in multi-dimensional thought or five-dimensional thought, or
something. (Several voices: “Six”.)
Sidney: I think the thing that keeps us from doing that is that historically we call
such people that think in many dimensions “demented”. (Laugher.)
Myra: I read a poem the other day called, “The Fourth Dimension, Love”., but
that’s an emotion, not a dimension.
Gloria: Mercy and Love. Love is an Attribute.
Sidney: That would be an aspect of time.
Gloria: We might not understand what Love really is. We have reference
points for what we call “love”, but that might not be real Love.
Myra: And it’s used in so many different ways. Maybe that’s a concept: this kind
of “love”, that kind of “love” It is a dimension. One aspect would be emotion, but not
necessarily the whole gamut of love.
Sidney: I think almost everything we do on this planet… We could be called the
planet of the tips of the icebergs.
Owen: When you think of going to what’s popularly called the fifth dimension,
(Gloria: Timeless, spaceless.) When you go into meditation, for example, you go into
various levels, or realities that represent several different dimensions or just different
degrees of one dimension. For example,
Betty: Is Theta a dimension? Is that what you’re saying?
Owen: I was wondering. You’re in a different kind of reality that obviously has
different dimensions than we have here.
Gloria: Theta is simply the measurable cycling of the brain function.
Betty: When we’re in that state, that’s the measurable cycling…. But is the
reality a dimension? Is “Theta” what we label it with?
Owen: Yes, don’t you differentiate between the physical characteristics that you
measure it by and what actually happens to you?
Gloria: Then you have to do your height, width and breadth and say those are
physical dimension. You’re saying that there is something else that is being
measured by Theta Waves. What else is being measured by Height, Width and
Depth? If you are going to say there is an aspect there, then you have to say there is
an aspect there. You follow me?
Owen: You’re in another reality, but some of the dimensions carry over into
the….
Gloria: We have Height, and length and breadth, but that encompasses what
we call “space”. There’s a cubic area. Those are only boundaries of it, as the Theta
cycle is only a boundary of something.
Myra: But then there’s the reality of what goes on. Would that make a
difference? Because what happens when you’re in that Theta space? It’s a measurable
condition, but the reality is that there’s a whole lot of creativity control out there.
Gloria: The same thing can be said of what’s contained by the boundaries of
this room. There’s a lot of stuff going on here, as individual as the individuals that
occupy the space.
Myra: I see. But I think maybe Owen is right that maybe other realities could be
another dimension. (To Owen.) Is that what you’re trying to say?
Owen: There’s so many different things involved here. Maybe that’s a whole
different category of different subdivisions, realities. Realms, astral realm experience,
out-of-body travel, meditation, experiencing a past life in a dream. There are a lot of
different situations there that apparently are realities. Are those defined by “dimension”
somehow, or where do dimensions fit in?
Sidney: Well, a past life occurred in this reality, however.
Owen: You are experiencing it now.
Sidney: That’s correct.
Owen: Something that occurred a long time ago.
Sidney: It’s real to you now, but it was also real to you then.
Betty: What you’re saying is “What is the difference between reality and
dimensions”?
Gloria: Maybe we need to get a definition. Remember we had to do that
before. We had to go into circle and ask the teachers for a definition of the word
they were using.
Myra: Because we’re all coming to it with our own experience and we don’t see
what they’re saying.
Betty: Maybe we needed a definition and they said “No mashed potatoes..”
Gloria: We’ll have to ask them to define what they mean by “dimension”.
Myra; I was thinking about what we did today in meditation about Divine Fire. In
the coming issue of The Connection, there’s quite an article on all the different laws. So
we took the laws and were discussing what the basis for each of the laws is. And the first
one, the Principle is Divine Fire, and we searched and searched and searched throughout
all of the transcripts. We couldn’t find a discussion about what the Divine Fire is.
Today’s meditation is the perfect answer to our question.
Gloria: Ask and ye shall receive!
Myra: But we didn’t really ask. I wonder if she’s reading our minds. Jean and I
spent hours searching.
Gloria: (Laughing.) I don’t know!
Sidney: I think there is mind reading definitely.
Myra: She really gave us what we were looking for in this meditation. Now I’m
going to hurry and get that one into The Connection.
Joni: Intent reading, not mind reading. They knew your intent.
Sidney: We’ll have to see what they come up with, but it seems to me the answer
might be fairly simple on “dimension”. “Dimension” means “two minds” or “twin
minds”, and everything created out of these twin minds is a “dimension”. (Responses of
surprise.)
Owen: You mean an idea is a dimension?
Sidney: It could be, in that your thoughts live on independent of you. That’s
possible, too, but I think we created one environment. I think that anything that the
Creative Mind creates might be a dimension. I don’t know if I can take it any further than
that.
Owen: I would think that the dimension is in Formula/Number possibly, that you use to
describe whatever it is that you produced in thought or otherwise. There are some things
that have certain basic characteristics, and you categorize those characteristics as
dimensions. They’re a means of describing whatever it is you’re talking about.
Sidney: So, in other words, something is created, and, in terms of Sound, Number
and Function, anything that is….
Owen: It’s a part of the number system in effect. It’s a systematic.
Sidney: Sound is a vibration. Number is a frequency, or, I should say, a quantity,
and Function, I never fully understood. So, when any of those is created different from
anything else, then you’re saying that is a dimension. When any different combination of
sound, number and function…
Owen: All I’m saying is that dimensions are categories of qualities that anything
might have, so that they enable you to describe.. (Gloria: Parameters?) Parameters
have dimensions.
Myra: I think of the first three, height, width and depth as measurable.
Jnana: I consider them extensions of thought. First you take a point and extend it.
Then you take the line and extend that. Then you take the plane and extend that. Then
you’ve got a continuum, and you extend that continuum through time. Then, once you’ve
extended that continuum through time, what do you do?
Gloria: Yes, that’s the fifth dimension?
Jnana: How do you extend your mind beyond that?
Gloria: Yes, that makes sense.
Jean: I missed what you were saying, because I was thinking about what I was
thinking. I want to get it. Owen was saying “dimensions are categories of Qualities”, and
I thought dimensions are categories of characteristics.
Sidney: That is Qualities, but there are many Qualities in every dimension. We are
the Quality “Human”, which is only one Quality of this dimension.
Betty: But when he touched onto Thought, and we get into this business of
Creative Thought, way up here, and I thought, “Wow! To me that touches into it.”
Sidney: But also the Quality Human exists in other dimensions.
Gloria: That’s true.
Jean: But doesn’t characteristics narrow down the Quality?
Gloria: Yes, because the Quality “tree” has different characteristics from the
Quality “Human”.
Jean: So it’s closer to definition.
Sidney: You define the Quality by its characteristics.
Betty: You can see the assignments here. They’re trying to put things into
categories.
Jean: But you do have to put things into categories in order to talk.
Sidney: To talk intelligently. (Laughter.)
Owen: Not necessary even that! (More laughter.) If you want to communicate.
You can talk intelligently and nobody understands what in tarnation you said.
(Agreement.)
Betty: You can ask questions like Jenika and I, and Sheariam can get it anyway.
Jean: I was way back on another one that Owen was on. You were asking
about… Remember exactly what you asked?
Owen: Are there different dimensions involved in entering these different
realities?
Jean: OK. The picture I had was: You have the brain; and you can chart the
brain according to the alpha, theta and delta waves. When you are in alpha wave, you
behave this way; and when you are in theta, you behave this way; and when you’re in
delta you behave in this way. So then, here, this is physical. Then this goes out beyond
the physical and into the other realms.
Gloria: They told us we were Mental-Physical while they were Spirit-Physical.
So maybe that’s a dimension. Physical, mental and spiritual. (Agreement.) One of the
things that occurred to me while Jean was trying to get back to what Owen was
saying was, “Do dimensions have characteristics, or do realities have dimensions?”
Sidney: Sure. Realities have different dimension. We’ve all experienced many
dimensions from this reality. And there are those of us who are more advanced, who have
probably experienced more dimensions in this same reality.
Gloria: Because, as Jnana pointed out, our three dimensions of length,
breadth and width start at a point, and the point extended becomes a line. That’s a
characteristic. The line extended becomes a plane. That’s a characteristic. The plane
extended becomes volume. That’s a characteristic. So in that respect, dimension has
characteristic. But is there a reality that is described by those dimensions? Sure
there is. We’re in it. So consequently….
Sidney: We experience in three-dimensional reality most of the time.
Gloria: The idea is to carry that further then.
Jean: Now Motion comes into that, too. Motion is time and distance, and so
motion becomes a reality. We first have to accept that time and space are realities.
Sidney: The dimension probably does not dictate the reality though.
Jnana: Edgar Cayce always talked about the trinity of time, space and patience.
Gloria: I think that’s endurance.
Myra; Endurance and patience: is that the same? (Voice: Comparable.)
Gloria: There was something I read recently where the teachers said
something about enduring. What was it that they said about enduring?
Jnana: In Session #103 they talked about deep thought. If you have a deep
thought, but it’s of a low intensity. Then they compare that to having a deep thought and
a high intensity which would be of a longer endurance.
Myra: That’s where I got six and seven, degree of intensity and depth of thought.
Owen: I didn’t finish what I was going to say about communication. (Laughter.)
To get back to Betty’s comment, the need to understand one another almost requires that
we have to systematize our knowledge so that when we say something, the other person
recognizes what we have said. Otherwise, we won’t communicate. This involves, then,
systematizing our scales of dimensions. If we don’t…
Gloria: On the other hand, the very thing that happened here. I did not know
that Jean and Myra were looking for something about the Divine Fire. So I could
not have fabricated that to fulfill their need. They did not define that to me. Yet in
some reality, in some way, there was communication without definition.
Owen: I was talking about physical communication. When you’re just having a
flow of idea, it’s a concept and, presumably, it’s not dependent on somebody’s
vocabulary. If she spoke only Chinese and you spoke English, but she had this idea that
came to you, it would probably still manifest in an idea that would be clear, and wouldn’t
be dependent on definition, but in terms of language, when we’re talking, we may not be
able to subliminally get the whole picture. So it’s more expedient….
Gloria: In one reality there is the requirement for definitive boundaries, and
in another reality there is not.
Betty: It’s amazing to me, that the Mexicans that come into the Post Office, when
I’m not really picking up any words at all, or maybe just one word, sometimes I just
know what they want. I haven’t figured this out yet. If it’s something obvious, you can
always pick up a word or something, but sometimes when I haven’t been able to get
anything, it’s just a feeling. It’s really strange.
Sidney: I suspect that at some point in our future evolution, the type of physical
talking that we experience now will cease to exist.
Gloria: There was a time when it didn’t exist. It’s just a development.
Myra: She talks a lot about communication being so important that we truly
understand what the other person really understands.
Betty: But how many times do you want something different from what you say?
One other thing that I’d like to share, as far as dimensions, or whatever it was, I
am conquering my fear of heights. (Expressions of congratulations.) It was amazing to
me, because I’ve been trying to climb the silo we have at home. I go out for my walk
every morning when the sun’s just going up, seeing the green fields, the irrigation going,
Mt. Hood, Jefferson, everything the Cascade range, turning and seeing the other range on
the other side. As far as I’m concerned, I’m in a nice spot. I’ve done real well in picking
that.
But it was just amazing, because when I climbed the silo, I turned around and
looked at the same view, and I caught my breath, totally, because I was up high enough.
It wasn’t in fear. I thought, “It gives a totally different perspective”. You know this two-
dimensional we talk about. Flat. I thought, ”Here is that same thing I look at and admire
all the time, and just from this much distance, it was incredible. (How much higher?)
I was real brave that time, fifty feet. (Remarks of praise.) It was amazing. It was
so different it’s incredible. The land is still flat. It’s still prairie. It’s not that I could see
over a hill or anything. It’s exactly the same thing from a different perspective.
Joni: Betty, your source group knew that you needed reinforcement for conquering your
fear, so they allowed you to take this step, and as you reached…. The Joy.
Betty: I’m not ready for Mt. Hood yet, though. I’ve decided I’m not ready.
Something that has trees on both sides, yes.
Owen: This is one of the things that seemed to me was the most important
emotion that I experienced, the first time I climbed a mountain. It was the difference in
perspective. You think of all the little people down there. There’s cities down there, and
here you are, the universe expands before you. There’s nothing in any direction around
you. You’re above the cruddy air that most people have to live in. It’s clear, crystal clear.
Nature is in complete control, completely unspoiled. Well it used to be. (Laughter.) To
me it was a real emotional experience. I find the same thing when I get up in the
mountains now. I don’t have to climb clear to the top to get it, fortunately.
Betty: Feeling and desire. Is that a dimension?
Gloria: It’s an Attribute.
Myra: Attribute of Dominance.
Gloria: Do feeling and desire have dimension? (Probably. Sure…)
Myra: It has intensity.
Gloria: I would think that anything that has a limit on it would have a
dimension, or more than one dimension. Maybe dimension means “boundary”.
Jnana: Any place you can extend your mind from one idea to another.
Sidney: A limit has to have two dimensions.
Gloria: I corrected myself about “a” dimension. I meant dimensions, in some
way measurable, a beginning and an end.
Jnana: Systems have dimensions. Every system that’s developed has dimension,
depth.
Gloria: It has limits. A computer can only handle so much data. A printer can
only print out so fast. A runner can only run so fast.
Betty: I balk at the limitation.
Gloria: We’re talking in terms of what is dimension.
Betty: Sidney had us do a little exercise on density, and my experience was
totally different than anybody else’s. I’m still working with that one. I still feel
comfortable with it, but I’m still working on it. He had us add to a cube and make it more
dense all the time. Start with a cube and have it more dense, color it in, make it darker,
put more in and make it dense.
What happened to mine, each time he said, “Now make it more”, it made itself
dense by becoming smaller. In spite of what I could do, I kept thinking, “No, you’re not
supposed to do this”. It went so dense that it just exploded, totally, into light. That’s what
happened to me, and I kept saying, “What’s happening here?”. But I feel comfortable
with that. I really do!
Jean: I see a connection there between what you’re always struggling with and
that in a reverse way. You’re always struggling with “I won’t be fenced in. I don’t want
to be categorized. I don’t want to be limited.” You’re struggling, wanting to get out this
way, but then you did that. You pushed everything in, and then exploded.
Myra: Into light.
Gloria: Yes, because a point is infinite.
Betty: But that freedom. I have definitely identified that it’s not “I want my own
freedom”. I want the freedom for other people. I resent when other people are put into
categories, and so forth. Again, that’s my problem, my resentment.
Jean: That’s where your struggle is, but when you were free to do anything that
you wanted to, you pushed it in, whatever it was, and then exploded it.
Betty: I didn’t push it, though. I didn’t do anything. When I was making effort, I
was trying to have my cube up here and add stuff to it and keep it.
Gloria: Your rational awareness was trying to do that. What about the
irrational?
Myra: Your high self, or your low self.
Jnana: The difference was adding matter to a cube, or taking the same amount of
matter and squashing it down to a smaller space. They both are the same function.
Betty: It was instantaneous. They were a different size. There was no effort or
anything. It was just there. I just kept thinking, “Wait a minute. What’s happening?”
Jnana: Or you could consider your perspective just moving out. It would be the
same thing. Rather than it getting smaller, you move away from it.
Gloria: That’s one way to treat a challenge, or a problem, or something that
seems to be grabbing you. If you can develop the perspective of distance, it isn’t so
over-powering.
Sidney: It makes a big problem smaller.
Jean: As a child, I used to have a nightmare. It started with a cube of Fleishman
Yeast, and then it billowed out, out and out, and then I tried to get it back into the cube.
Then combined with that, was the nightmare of a string that you twist and twist and twist,
and it all knots up, and then trying to pull it out to a straight relaxed string again.
Sidney: Sounds like the opposite nightmare. One’s trying to go this way, the other
one’s trying to go this way.
Myra: This idea of expanding or contracting makes me think of a meditation we
did with June d’Estelle when we went inside a crystal. She said that in your meditation,
if, when you did it, you shrunk yourself way down and got inside the little teeny crystal,
that’s one way of looking at it. The other thing is to blow the crystal up so that you were
your normal size, but it was very big.
Betty: The curious thing to me was that this was not expansion and contraction.
This was density.
Myra: But the contraction did happen. You created it.
Jean: It was your meditation, so you did it.
Joni: Or did her guides do it?
Betty: Right. This is the question.
Joni: You created exactly what was needed or appropriate for you, and it wasn’t
appropriate for anyone else that was there Friday night, but it was perfect for you, and
you feel comfortable with it.
Betty: I feel that there’s learning there. I know I didn’t consciously create that,
because I resisted it consciously, and I think there is some synergy there. It came from
outside of me.
Owen: You kind of played the scenario of the black hole, where all matter is
drawn into an almost infinitely small space until it reaches a critical point. Then it
explodes, theoretically, and you start all over again.
Betty: Gloria, you may not have been in trance, but it was very enjoyable and
productive. (Thank you.)
Owen: I’m glad you have the alternative frequency or channel that you can switch
to.
Gloria: Well, this morning in my meditation, everything went just fine, and I
was assured that everything was going to be fine. I don’t know why I got so out of
sync with things.
Myra: I wondered if it was because of the first word that you said, which was
“Gabriel”.
Gloria: That was so spontaneous. Why did I start with “Gabriel”? I haven’t
the foggiest notion.
Myra; Then you said, “Sorry”. And I think that sort of threw you into a
frustration.
Gloria: I don’t know, but I was highly disorganized.
Myra; Nevertheless, the result was highly productive.
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