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Session #127 - September 22, 1991
Gloria’s Circle
Present: Betty, Edith, Jean, Jnana, Joni, Myra, Owen, Peter, Sidney, Vivian, and
Gloria with a Teacher from the Temple, possibly Judith. (9:00 a.m., Sunday at Jean's)
(Opened with three Aa Oo Mm's. Invoked Khamael, affirming "I am the disciplined
force of the Absolute"; Gabriel, affirming "I will Divine Will. The power of God is my
power. The strength of God is my strength"; and Haniel, affirming "Divine
Relinquishment releases me to the freedom of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".
I so declare, and it is so.)
GLORIA: I'm not going to read the whole excerpt from Karansa's dissertation (in
program for "A New Beginning"), but just talk about it. The seeds of this meeting were
planted after the Peace Meditation at my home with some dear friends who stayed to visit
and prune my flowers.
They voiced to me something that I have felt for a long time. I have been
unchurched for years and years and years because I could not withstand the hostile
vibrations of the hypocrisy I find in structured religion. It's not that I feel that I'm too
good to go to a church where I don't necessarily adopt all their beliefs -- everyone's
entitled to believe whatever they want to believe. That's part of my belief system -- that
everyone is free to adopt any kind of belief system they wish to. But I am affronted and
feel rejected and imposed upon when other people say, or imply, or behave as though I
should believe the way they do, and that's the only way that things can be. So I just
simply chose not to put myself into a group of people that projected those kinds of
emanations, because I would come home from church distraught, totally drained, and not
the least bit refreshed and uplifted and revived the way I feel I want a church to serve me.
So, apparently other people feel that way too.
Also, there is the feeling that we do not give or express enough gratitude and
reverence to the Temple Teachers and our Source Groups. I thought it was interesting
when I was thinking about what we should do, how we should structure our meetings,
etc., that the Teachers should hand to me the session #18 wherein the very subject of
reverence and worship and what is to be reverenced and worshiped is addressed by
Karansa, who was the first Temple Teacher to come to us representing herself as a
Temple Teacher. Later we were told that she was indeed the top honcho of the Temple
that was giving us our particular range of teaching.
** God, only one Absolute, The Absolute, Praying, Source Group, prayer
She says that there is only one essential God being, and that is the Absolute --
the fixed center of all that we could ever know in our condition. And that, that is, if we
are going to worship something, that that is the thing to worship. But when indeed we
pray, we are simply talking to our own Source Group, which is not just this immediate
layer of guidance and protectorate, but theirs and the ones above them and the ones above
them. And she says that the people in the Temple revere and respect and express their
gratitude and this attitude of appreciation to their Source Groups. And so it goes on up
the line.
** Source Group, praying and Gloria's constant prayer
I have a continuing prayer -- a mantra, really. "Thank you for your continued
guidance and protection." And Source knows that I am talking to them, and that I am
expressing my confidence that they are going to guide and protect me.
On this trip that Mom and I just got back from, for the first time in all of the
thousands and thousands of miles that we have travelled, we had two very near auto
encounters. A car that was less than 50 yards from me crossed the center line -- we were
on a two-lane highway -- and came directly at us. They were so close when they crossed
the line -- it was almost like they drove at us. It wasn't that this person drifted; it was as
though they turned to us. There was nothing I could do at that moment, but say "Thank
you for your guidance and protection". And it was as though that car went through us.
Mom said she never saw that car swerve out of the way. She was totally prepared for a
head-on encounter that would bring transition -- she was totally prepared for it. It was as
though the car went through us -- that's the only way I can describe what happened.
** Auto accident, near misses, Mantra, for protection Appreciation, value of
You know how you get these cameo glimpses -- they're just like that. The
expression on the face of the truck driver behind that car was indescribable. I know that
truck driver was prepared to scrape us off the pavement, and could not believe what he
had seen. But I know it's that mantra that does that. It's that continual contact with
Source -- that appreciation for their continuing guidance and protection. It just never
fails.
** Creators, we are our own God, within
Karansa tells us that we are our own creators. In other words, the God within is
the God we should worship. If we are indeed going to worship, it's our own Divine
beingness. Of course, the scholar in me could not avoid doing the dictionary thing, so at
the top of the 3rd page (of Gloria's printed program) I have given you some dictionary
definitions for the words "religion, reverence, venerate, and worship".
** Worship Rites, Ceremonial forms, Prayers, Adoration, Homage, Veneration,
Deity, veneration given to; Icons, importance of ;Candles, importance of ;Flowers,
importance of; Water, importance of
WORSHIP involves rites, ceremonial forms, prayers, and that sort of thing that
are required or assumed to be necessary when one gives adoration, homage, or veneration
to any given deity. Somewhere in the transcripts we were told about rites and ceremony
and the necessity for that, because in our condition of limited mind and limited
understanding that our icons and representations enable us to expand and go beyond them
-- that they are like a focus of attention. For instance, like the candle, or flowers, or the
water, the owl -- any of these icons are not to be worshiped in themselves, but they are
focuses of attention that remind us what we are worshiping -- what we are actually
deifying. Karansa says we create our own Gods. It is man's nature to want something to
worship. It is not wrong to do that -- it is a need in us.
** Owl, the icon ; Gods, we create our own ;Worship, man's need for
Desire Body, worship and the
And I think it is that basic drive in the Desire Body that keeps us on the road of
Aspiration that Silverthistle talks about. And so, I copied the first Key to Cosmic
Consciousness out of "Eight Keys" on the back if this first program. That's why that's
there.
As I was thinking about doing this -- restructuring of our Circle's function -- it
reminded me of a joke. I think it was Bishop Baines that said it. He was on his way to
do something that was not in the normal course of his experience, and he said he felt like
a mosquito at a nudists camp. He knew what he was supposed to do, but he didn't know
where to start. (laughter) That's kind of the way I feel about this. I think most of you
know that I am an ordained minister, if that makes any difference to anybody. I can't see
where it would.
** Church feeling, seeking it Faith, walk in
While I was pondering that, I came on this F. D. Huntington quotation: "While
reason is puzzling itself about mystery, faith is turning it (mystery) to daily bread, and
feeding on it thankfully in her heart of hearts." And I think that is what we are doing
when we are seeking that "church feeling". We are seeking to come closer to the mystery
of our beginning and of our beingness. And we have to walk in faith if we are to grasp
even the minutest part of that. So that is primarily what I have to say today except for the
channeled message. Before that, I have two announcements:
On the table in the patio are two paper bags full of fresh vegetables. Help
yourself to any and all of it. Remember, it was in the garden that I had the first contact
with the Teachers again, and it was like they had blessed it. You can't believe that little
tiny piece of ground that's no bigger than the center of this living room -- the produce it
has produced. We've given it to friends and neighbors. And that's just a couple of days
produce.
The second announcement is a request. I did this particular meeting because of
the time element. I was gone for a week and had no time to contact anybody. But I
would like someone to volunteer to head up putting together the program for our October
20 meeting. You can do anything with it that you want -- whatever spirit moves you to
do. And you can ask anybody in the Circle, or outside of the Circle to help in any way
that you want, keeping in mind that we do want these meetings to reflect our admiration
and our gratitude, and our appreciation of our Source and the Temple Teachers. And
don't forget affection and joy and all the good stuff.
The other thing is that after this meeting anyone who is interested in a Hadiki
meeting, we need to set a time and place to set in place some activities.
** Praise, anthem expressing Absolute, The; doesn't need praise Absolute, The;
doesn't need our affection Absolute, The; doesn't need our appreciation Absolute,
The; needs us
The anthem (on the program): I was sitting on my patio contemplating how we could
express praise. Karansa says the Absolute doesn't need our praise, our affection, our
appreciation -- all It needs is us. We are the ones who have the need to praise. In the
Christian way, there is the anthem "Praise God from whom all blessings flow". They
gave me these words to that melody.
Anthem of praise
Prais - es to God The Ab - so - lute
Who gives us Life, sweet Attribute.
Let us of Hu - man Qua - li - ty
Bless earth with love com - pass - ion - ately.
(sung twice)
GLORIA: I was so enthralled with that, that it's been going through my mind all
week.
(Other announcements: Myra proudly proclaimed that she is now a grandmother with the
arrival of Naomi Pearl who arrived to Julia by Caesarian section last Monday. Myra will
be going to Washington, D.C. for two weeks to get acquainted. Then she will be
preparing for her surgery on Nov 4 when she will receive a new knee.)
MYRA: I guess I'll just have to accept the fact that I'm getting old.
GLORIA: Oh no, no, no. The body has a chronological calendar, but you are young
and beautiful, and wonderful. Keep that in mind. Living in this Earth plane is taking its
toll on that body.
PETER: We will rejuvenate our bodies, won't we. We've spent enough years
growing old. Now it's time to spend years growing young.
JNANA announced that he is a new uncle.
GLORIA got to see her next to last grandchild -- the Hispanic baby who was in great
contrast to the latest one who is blond and blue eyed. She now has 13 grandchildren.
Her mother has 24 great grandchildren. Gloria only had 4 children.
EDITH mentioned that the study group had been discussing the individual assumptions
we have made about Hadiki just the Friday before Gloria's letter on Hadiki arrived. (had
been suggested by Jnana) And MYRA mentioned that the study group members were
also working on their "I wills" and "I won'ts", as suggested by Silverthistle in Circle
101.5, which we are studying.
VIVIAN volunteered to host the Peace Meditation in November.
MYRA expressed the group's appreciation to Sidney for his continuing coordination of
the Peace Meditations.
GLORIA: I think that is true Hadiki, Sidney. Taking on the responsibility without
being asked, and sticking with it for 3 or 4 years, sending us all reminders when it's our
turn. I too thank you.
BETTY: We don't worship you, but we do express our gratitude.
(Ed. Note: In the following paragraphs it appears that a Temple Teacher, possibly Judith,
was speaking directly through Gloria Ruth, although there were occasional pauses to find
the right word.) At the start it appeared that she was repeating or describing what was
being presented to her. The change to direct channeling was not obvious at the time, but
has been delineated in the transcript. OPC)
** Worship Clothing; significance of Clothing; worship and Ritual Ceremony; I AM
Fixed Center of Beingness; Absolute, The; The Absolute Divine Dew Drop
GLORIA: Let's invite the Teachers. I haven't the faintest idea what's coming. I still
feel like the mosquito buzzing around.
(After relaxing a moment…) I'm getting it. I think it's Judith. It's saying, "Yes indeed."
I get a feeling of this tremendous elegance. (comments that Judith felt elegant and
profound, regal.) ... I feel her presence very strongly, and she seems to be saying, that:
JUDITH: The ideal situation for true WORSHIP is indeed nakedness, because as we
wear clothing, it becomes one of those icons of focus, and we then begin to worship
what we wear. Then that extends into the worship of what we have, and our
worship, our ritual, our ceremony is intended for us to focus through the inward I
AM to that FIXED CENTER OF BEINGNESS that is the ABSOLUTE from which
came the DIVINE DEW DROP, that beginning of all that is that came out of all non
organization, which we can't comprehend.
** Human Quality; Quality, Human; God, how we should feel about; Faith;
Illusion; Tzaphkiel Center created Time Space; Divine nature, we are of
The ABSOLUTE is where we came from, and it is where we are going to. As
we know ourselves, we are on that path at this moment in the HUMAN QUALITY
back to home, back to the ABSOLUTE. We should foster within ourselves that
feeling generated by our concept of "home" -- that feeling of security and personal
identification, that love and warmth that we seek to find in the heart of our home, is
the way we should feel about the ABSOLUTE when we think of GOD.
When we aspire to walk towards our home, we must do so in FAITH,
because the life that we live here is one of ILLUSION. It is indeed the TZAPHKIEL
CENTER that has created TIME and SPACE as we know it, and we must walk in
the faith that this is not the limits that binds us, that we are of Divine nature; our
home is in the ABSOLUTE, and all else is ILLUSION. The only REALITY is
CONSCIOUSNESS, the CONSCIOUSNESS that was born in the DIVINE DEW
DROP. As we go through experience, the ABSOLUTE itself is expanded, because
there is never any leaving the ABSOLUTE.
** Consciousness, the only Reality; Divine Dew Drop; Separateness, seeming;
Quality, Quantification of; Ratio of Volition to Consciousness
Although we seem to be separate; although we seem to have come a long
way away from the beginning, we are still where we began. It is only in the
QUANTIFICATION of our QUALITY that we have increased the RATIO OF
VOLITION TO CONSCIOUSNESS, and thus the ABSOLUTE grows in
consciousness. As we increase our VOLITION, we increase the CONSCIOUSNESS
of the ABSOLUTE. And the REALMS, that exist as layers of onion, also are grown
by that same process.
** Volition, increase of; Gods, urge to create
When we seek to express our appreciation, our love for this source of
beingness, we increase the potential for increase of VOLITION of our SOURCE. As
that SOURCE's VOLITION is increased, the potential for SOURCE's increase in
VOLITION is made possible. So there is this continuing growth, so that our urge
that comes from within to create GODS, to deify things, expresses itself -- it is a
normal, natural rightful URGE.
** Appreciation, importance of expressing; Absolute, complete in itself; Absolute,
limitlessness of
The importance for us to remember, is what we clothe that urge in. It must
not be clothed in pretense and hypocrisy. We must not deify things that we have. If
indeed there is anything to deify, it can only be the ABSOLUTE itself, because
everything else is incomplete. Only the ABSOLUTE is complete in its limitlessness.
Anything that is limited and definable is incomplete, and therefore cannot be justly
deified. So, WORSHIP should not be rendered to any thing -- only can WORSHIP
be just and honest when it comes as LOVE from the center of your SELFHOOD for
the ABSOLUTE, which is the life giver.
** Worship, just and honest; Pretense, is untruth; Separateness, from each other
As you think thoughts of untruth, you are clothing your current aspect of
REALITY in untruth. Pretense is untruth. Only open, honest integrity can offer
true WORSHIP, because the ABSOLUTE is all that ever can be, or ever was, or
ever will be. Therefore, there can be no pretense in the ABSOLUTE.
** Volition, opportunity to increase reduced Quality, opportunity to Quantify;
reduced Creative capacity of humans; Unhappiness; Resentment; Joy, lack of;
Worship, truest expression
As we separate ourselves from each other through clothing, through
activity, through possessions, through thought, through feelings, we are reducing
our opportunity to increase our VOLITION and QUANTIFY our QUALITY. As
humans we have the creative capacity to produce all kinds of incompletenesses. And
we live daily in those incompletenesses unhappily, resentfully, non-joyously. When
JOY lives as a flame at the center of your awareness, you come most nearly to that
completeness that you can experience as HUMAN QUALITY in this Earth. That is
the truest expression of WORSHIP for the ABSOLUTE that you in this condition
can manifest.
If you keep your attention focused on JOY as a guiding flame, you cannot
be untruthful. Untruthfulness is incompleteness and cannot be joyful. If the flame
of JOY becomes extinguished within you, then you experience what human kind has
described to itself as PURGATORY or HELL. You can escape that condition by
rekindling the flame of joyousness. Any time that you are saddened, any time that
you are ill, any time that you feel lack, any place in your life that you find
incompleteness -- if you begin to MEDITATE, contemplate, think about JOY, think
about laughter, think about LOVE, you can overcome those incompletenesses and
move toward COMPLETENESS.
** Joy, a guiding flame; Purgatory; Hell; Sadness; Illness; Lack; Meditate on Joy;
Incompleteness, overcoming; Completeness, moving toward
Now, because you are incomplete in this given incarnation, it is unlikely
that you will ever experience true completeness. But when you MEDITATE and
you focus yourself on your ROD, and you grasp that understanding of the
connection of your ROD through the REALMS to the core of the ABSOLUTE, you
can approach grasping COMPLETENESS.
** Rod, focusing on; Meditate on Rod; Suffering, helping to alleviate; Joy, modes to
finding
When you find a fellow human who is suffering, and that fellow human
asks for your help, then the avenue for truest help is to assist that individual in
whatever way you can to rekindle that flame of JOY within them, whether it is
through singing together, through holding hands, through counseling, words of love,
mutual activities, or any of the healing techniques that you have been given by any
of the TEACHERS, or any of the HEALING TECHNIQUES that come from your
own sense of joy.
** Healing techniques; Suffering in animals; Quality; animal has Consciousness;
Volition, Consciousness ratio to; Consciousness, Volition ratio to
Now, to help the other realms -- a suffering ANIMAL is not always able to
ask for help, because it does not have the RATIO OF VOLITION TO
CONSCIOUSNESS that the human quality has. Sometimes it is more beneficial to
terminate an animal's life than it is to allow that animal to continue suffering. You
must feel within yourself the sense of JOY that an animal has QUALITY,
CONSCIOUSNESS, and has made a contribution to the increase of VOLITION in
the RATIO OF VOLITION TO CONSCIOUSNESS. And when you feel that joy, it
is alright to end the animal's suffering. If you cannot find that joy, knowing that the
animal has made its contribution, then you must find some way to alleviate the
suffering of the animal until you can find that joy, or the animal recovers from its
suffering.
** Animals, treating their suffering; Animals, in the food chain; Joy, in animals;
Volitional capacity. animals and
ANIMALS need to live in JOY, even the animals in the FOOD CHAIN.
If an animal that is being raised for a food product is not raised in a way that the
animal can experience joy in accordance with its own VOLITIONAL CAPACITY,
then it is not proper food. Animals that are raised for other purposes to make
products that you use in your daily lives must be raised in conditions in which the
animal knows its own joy. Animals raised in cages that are not normal to its
existence cannot feel joy. There must be the range of physical activity appropriate
to the size and strength of the animal. Except for the purposes of protection,
assisting recovery, it is wrongful to keep animals in cages or pens of any kind, even
for educational purposes or for research. Most research is unnecessary, and we will
address that subject at another time. For now, our subject is WORSHIP through
the FLAME OF JOY within the center of yourself.
** Animals, raised to know Joy; Research, value of; Animals, cages, pens and
For the PLANT KINGDOM, you assist that kingdom in experiencing its
JOY of itself when you appreciate the beauty and fragrance of the flowers, when
you use the leaves, flowers, and vines for your food, when you use any part of the
plant as food or medicine or for aesthetic values, you are increasing the RATIO OF
VOLITION TO CONSCIOUSNESS for the PLANT KINGDOM.
** Plants, Joy and; Joy, plants and; Volition, Consciousness ratio to; Consciousness,
Volition ratio to
Even in the MINERAL KINGDOM do you serve in the capacity of
custodians. Even the Mineral Kingdom has a RATIO OF VOLITION TO
CONSCIOUSNESS, though it is so low in this Earth condition as to be
unwitnessable except over long, long terms of your time. As you protect the
planetary resources from exploitation, from overuse, from erosion, as you strive to
keep an ecological balance, you are performing acts of WORSHIP through assisting
that FLAME OF JOY at the center of the CONSCIOUSNESS of the so-called
"inert" material. In every activity of this nature you worship the ABSOLUTE. As
you take your custodial obligations seriously and perform them with responsibility
and dedication, you are performing the RITE OF WORSHIP.
** Minerals, joy and; Ecological balance; Exploitation, planetary resources and
Erosion, worship and; Joy, Flame of; Custodial obligations to planetary resources;
Worship, Rite of; Energy substance, building; Energy substance, support each
other; Honesty; Pretense; Hypocrisy; Earthly existence, increasing value of
When you gather, as you have gathered here this day, you share that
building of energy substance that helps HUMANS support each other in their
striving to maintain the FLAME OF JOY within. As you treat with each other in
open honesty and sincerity without pretense and hypocrisy, you are revering and
expressing veneration for all TEMPLE TEACHERS, all SOURCE members, and all
of their sources and teachers.You do not think a THOUGHT, you do not utter a
single word that does not alter your world immediately (ref. SPEECH). As you live
with the flame of joy within your heart, and you are not clothed in pretense and
hypocrisy, you cannot avoid increasing the value of this earthly existence, not only
for yourself but for all who went before, are here now, and will follow you. If you
wish to leave a world for your grandchildren to enjoy, you must make every effort
now to live in TRUTH with JOY. If you do that, you cannot but love one another.
And so I bid you, live joyously in peace. ...
** Future world made now; Truth, living in; Joy, living with
GLORIA: It feels as though I'm three times too big.
OWEN: Were you listening?
GLORIA: Not to all of it, some of it yes, pretty much... We're going to have
questions and answers pretty quick. Just give me a moment... OK.
MYRA: This has to do with what you just said about the environment. When you
protect the Earth Mineral Kingdom, then you are enabling it to live in joy also. In other
words, when we get involved in decision making processes about, say the Columbia
River Gorge, then we are, in essence, working to bring joy back into the Mineral
Kingdom?
** Ecological balance, decisions and; Resources to be used; Plants, repressing their
Joy
GLORIA (listening to Teacher): Depending on the decision -- where you stand in
your attitude towards it. We must keep in mind that it's important that the
resources of the Earth be used. They are not to be protected to the extent that they
are not used, for then we are denying their right to existence. We are repressing
their worship, their joy. So when decisions are reached about physical earthly
resources, there has to be a balance of protection and perpetuation against
utilization and renewable aspects of that resource. So you can't say, "Don't use this.
We can't cut down the trees. We can't use the water." Because then you are
creating an imbalance.
** Planetary resources, to be used
All of the resources of the planet are here and have evolved to this stage for
the use of everyone. That means that man must not take more than his share, but
he must not deny the use of the resources, or the resources are not given the
opportunity to increase VOLITION. It's like growing a garden and then not eating
the produce. You can't do that. That's not in the balance. Alright, all of our natural
resources on the planet were put here -- all of it is as much of a package as we're
part of the package. We cannot live our lives without using our bodies. The Earth
cannot live its life without using its body. So the decision has to be, "How do you
preserve the best and still use some?"
** Volition, increasing natural resources
GLORIA (Speaking as herself): What was originally showed to me when I
began to get this, was this magnificent stand of timber right next to timberline on a
beautiful mountain. OK, that serves as a watershed, but it doesn't take all of it to operate
that way. There is a percentage that can be used, while a percentage is left. (listening)
OK, OK, OK. Give me a chance here.
** Watershed; Resources, using productively; Money; Greed; Pretenses; Untruths
We as a Human Quality have developed technologically to the point that we
can project what is needed to preserve. For instance, how many trees or how much
growth is required to provide the right watershed that we don't destroy other
ecological facets and still use part of that resource productively. Of course, what
gets in the way is the money and the greed. The money and the greed and all of that
are the pretenses that we wear -- those are the untruths.
***OWEN: There is a dividing line between how much is needed for aesthetics --
you just mentioned "preserving the best". Above, they mentioned we can express
appreciation to the Plant Kingdom for the beauty. You can use it as food, medication, or
aesthetic values. I think aesthetic values would include parks and recreation. I guess the
big question is, "How much?" How much wilderness, for example, is needed. This is
kind of an imponderable. For example, one chap said, "If I'm on a ridgetop, and I know
that somebody is in the intervening valley or on the next ridge, the area loses its
wilderness quality." That's a bit extreme. But how much do we set aside as a preserve
just for aesthetic appreciation, which may also include for inspiration more of a spiritual
nature than physical? I think the guidelines would be more of a spiritual nature than
physical.
BETTY: I ran into real concern and fear, when I was back in Estes Park, Colorado,
and came back across the Rocky Mountain National Park. I'd heard the things about our
parks getting over-used. They had parking lots where buses picked up people to take
them to a trail head. There were more people on the trail than there are in the downtown
streets of Salem. My fear relates to how we are preserving it, how we are using it. Our
daughter studied it. Out of Eugene, for example, they over-harvested the trees, and there
is going to be nothing to harvest again for at least 40 years. It's all second growth. But
what they're discovering now, they are getting more income from the recreation, and
more people are using it recreationally, and they are getting more value out of it. It's
gorgeous, the town is beautiful, it has been rebuilt, and it's not just a dumpy old logging
town anymore. We've got to weigh these things, the uses we make -- it's not just
aesthetic. Not just being able to look at it, but experiencing it too.
** Natural resources, esthetic values and
GLORIA: That's exactly right.
MYRA: The Earth always can restore -- it recovers.
PETER: Up to a point it does not. You can't do clear cutting and preserve your
watershed.
OWEN: That's debatable. It depends on how you do it.
GLORIA: One of the things that's coming through now is that EVOLUTION is
primary. That it is not right to preserve something in its pristine virginity that prevents it
from experiencing what it can do. We humans tend to look at things in a limited fashion
so that we don't always agree with what we see happening, and we tend to let the loudest
voice influence the most people, when we need to have the most people represented by
the loudest voice. So that what we might see as undesirable can be brought to a desirable
state, just like Betty was talking about. We have the knowledge resources to use
prudently, and we need more people's voices to be heard. We have allowed our
governmental structures to get out of balance and out of control through malaise, through
inattention. Part of our spiritual journey is to see that we have a voice in our own
governing structures. Not only should we be working on peace, we need to be actively
refuting greed and avarice as expressed in our governmental body... And that goes
contrary to my personal modus operandi. I'm not very political, except that in meditation
I work that way, but I seldom write a letter to my congressman. However, I am going to
vote for limitation of terms.
** Evolution, is primary; Preservation, vs. evolution
BETTY: There is actual evidence that we taxpayers pay out more to build access
roads into the forests for the logging contractors to come and take out more than we are
paid. We are actually paying them to log it.
GLORIA: That's right. The taxpayer pays for everybody to make a profit.
OWEN: Usually the logging contract provides for the cost of roads -- most of the
logging roads are paid for out of the contract. The timber is always sold to the highest
bidder to get the maximum return (to the government). Now when you look at maybe the
management, the protection and costs of growing the forest up to that point, maybe that is
more than you’re getting back. But this depends on where and when. I'm sure that in the
Rocky Mountains the costs may exceed the return -- the per-acre volume is lower (and
the growth slower). But in a lot of cases out here where the volume is very high, return is
definitely greater than costs. Everything isn't all one picture, like not all humans are
alike. You've got a whole spectrum of situations.
BETTY: The other question that occurs to me -- we were talking about animals and
releasing them from life at a point of joy.
** Animals, release from suffering; Compassion, for animals; Mercy, for animals;
Animals, compassion and; Animals, mercy and; Animals, your point of Joy and;
GLORIA: When you are at a point of joy and the animal is suffering you cannot
release this animal from life out of irritation, out of a need to shed a responsibility, any of
those kinds of feelings. But release the animal with joy to its betterness from its
suffering. Use compassion. Let it be merciful.
MYRA: But if you're in a state of grief?
GLORIA: Then you're not -- you have to let someone else take care of it.
JNANA: The same with humans when they are about to transition.
** Joy, release with; Death, non-existent; Termination, body and; Suicide, question
of
GLORIA: That's right. You must release with joy.
BETTY: OK, this is the question I was leading up to. We're into the Hemlock
Society, living wills, and this sort of thing. Can you enlarge on where our options are
when we reach that stage. When is it suicide, and when is it that we just don't want to be
a burden on somebody else?
** Body, dispensing with it
GLORIA: You must remember first of all that there is no such thing as "DEATH".
There is only the termination of the functions of this body on this planet at this time.
When that body no longer can be volitionally sufficient to serve the purpose of the entity,
then it is proper to dispense with it. The individual... the individual himself must make it
possible either by presupposing such a situation and advising the people who might be
responsible, or the participation in a general sense, a family group or some form of close
knit association can, through their knowledge of that person's joy, make the decision for
him. It should not be left in the hands of doctors who have no connection with the patient
spiritually; it should not be left in the hands of legal authorities who have no connections
spiritually. It should be within the individual and those that are part connected.
** Body, volitionally sufficient to serve
BETTY: Taking this a step further for clarification -- the difference between suicide
and deciding to shed the physical body.
GLORIA: First of all ... erase the thought from your mind of sin. Since there is no
death, then what humans call the "taking of life" is an erroneous concept -- it is an
illusion. If an individual chooses to terminate the functioning of the physical body before
that body is worn out or no longer useful, and does so out of apathy, depression, any
condition that is non-joyous, then there is a consequence, a price to pay. It is not a
punishment, it is merely a consequence.When the physical body no longer serves the
spirit, it can be dispensed with, if it is done so in that sense of JOY.
** Apathy, suicide and; Depression, suicide and; Joy
BETTY: Will they at least teach me in the future how to do that?
GLORIA: You have already made the contact through tribal leaders in your
attendance in the Indian folk lore. The Indians can teach you how to sit down and stop
breathing.
OWEN: Don't you dare.
** Responsibility, abandonment of
BETTY: Not while I have a question left. (laughing)
GLORIA: But remember that you must not do that until you can do it with joy -- not
out of depression or abandonment of responsibility, or any of those negative sort of
things.
JNANA: At what point can you determine that the body no longer serves the spirit?
BETTY: Whether you can be joyful or not. Excuse me. (laughter)
** Body, needed for Quantification; Quantify Quality; Quality, Quantify your;
Volition, static state of
GLORIA: I think that's probably the right answer... As long as there is the capacity to
use VOLITION. When you reach the point of being unable to use your own volition,
then the body no longer serves the purpose. You need the body to QUANTIFY YOUR
QUALITY. When that can no longer be accomplished, then VOLITION isn't growing.
You need another kind of body then.
SIDNEY: So if you go from quality human or animal to vegetable or mineral, then
forget it.
GLORIA: Right. You're going backwards, and that's not allowable.
JONI: I have a question. People who are in comas and have been for periods of
time -- it would appear that their bodies are no longer serving them. What is their state,
and what can be done to make it appropriate?
** Coma, Volition and; Euthanasia, coma and; Coma, Euthanasia and; Body,
proper functioning of
GLORIA: OK. A COMATOSE condition can be a variety of conditions. It only
appears to be the same condition externally to the observer. So you're not in any position
to reach a decision based on the COMATOSE condition, because people have been
known to come back from such conditions to a viable life. But if that body requires
artificial maintenance... (sustenance suggested) ... Yes, they were giving me so many
things I couldn't come up with one word. If the body cannot function on its own rod, on
its own devices, then it's no longer of any utilization to that entity. In other words, it's
alright to pull the plug. But it's not alright to euthanize a comatose individual -- they
should be allowed to transition on their own, and you should release them with joy.
JONI: Provided they are able to sustain their own heart beat and breathing and
eliminations. (Gloria agreeing.)
MYRA: But if they're on a breathing machine and intravenous feeding, that's not
fun.
GLORIA: No. The body is no longer a viable functionary for the entity.
BETTY: It seems like the logical thing is to never hook up to begin with.
GLORIA: Exactly. And that's why I have told all of my family, and I'm telling all of
you in case it happens while I'm here. No CPR. When I go, folks, I'm going to go -- I
don't want you calling me back. I don't want any artificial extraordinary means, and CPR
is one of those.
BETTY: You have a little thing you carry in your wallet. I want a copy of it.
GLORIA: Alright. I thought you'd all forgotten about it. (Betty: Nope.) (laughter)
SIDNEY: If you aren't supposed to go, they'll send you back anyway. (Gloria
agreeing. More laughter.)
OWEN: That raises a question. In the last session we talked about abortion. And
they pointed out that if the abortion was supposed to occur, it will, and if it is not
supposed to occur, it won't. Does this also apply to other transition situations? Is there
any intervening master control that decides this one is not supposed to occur, therefore it
won't, like the oncoming car that went through you?
** Source's responsibility; Body protectorate, Source Group member; Body
functions, Source Group and
GLORIA: That is part of your SOURCE'S responsibility. Everybody has a member
in their SOURCE GROUP that is their, what you might say, body protectorate, that
works with the body's immune system, works with what we think are automatic
responses like hunger and fatigue and that sort of thing. There is a member of the Source
Group that deals with that. And that member of the source group has to release that
obligation before any kind of euthanasia or anything could occur on this level. You just
would not be able to get the job done.
OWEN: Can you assume this control also exists over potential murder situations?
** Murder
GLORIA: It's not an assumption, it's a fact.
OWEN: If the murder is not supposed to occur, it won't.
** Victim, murder
GLORIA: That's correct. A person is a victim because they have in previous
incarnations decided to be a victim.
OWEN: Does this apply also to other forms of attack, rape?
** Attack; Rape
GLORIA: Yes. A victim is a victim. At least the potential for that comes in with
incarnation. It can be offset by the spiritual growth of the individual. We all have the
capacity to change what we are as far as our attitudes are concerned and our behaviors
and our personality traits -- we can change all of those. And then we can change whether
we're a victim or not.
** Attitudes, changing events with; Personality traits, attitudes change; Behaviors,
attitude changes
SIDNEY: I think it's pretty common knowledge that the consciousness of the
individual will attract certain things to them. But what about the attacker in all of these
circumstances?
GLORIA: OK. It's like the iron filings. If the iron filing doesn't get within the
magnetic field, it's not going to be attracted to the magnet.
SIDNEY: But I presume in some cases the two have a karma to work out. In other
cases it may not be the case.
GLORIA: I think you'd have to consider it case by case. I don't think we can
generalize about that.
OWEN: They say there are no accidents. But you get the impression that somebody
walking down an alley might just --
GLORIA: But what brought that person to that alley? Their own volition. Volition,
karma and…
SIDNEY: So the karma is to attract that particular person, and that person's karma is
to perpetrate the act, and their resulting karma is either to be caught and punished or not
be caught.
GLORIA: No. The resulting karma is an opportunity to change your ATTITUDE, to
change your VOLITION. It is not to continue to repeat. It's like we talked about the
DESTINY PATH. There are certain events on that path that you are destined to
encounter, but the FATE, the outcome of that is dictated by your state of awareness, your
RATIO OF VOLITION at that given time.
** Attitude, karma and; Volition, karma and; Karma; Destiny, Fate
OWEN: The decision as to whether this is the time or this event is to occur is left
primarily to the source person.
GLORIA: No, not primarily. You can decide that for yourself at some subconscious
level. It's like forgetting something. We never really forget anything; we just don't
remember. (laughter) But it's a volitional thing; it's not an accident.
** Memory, Volition and
EDITH: I would like to ask the Temple Teachers if they or one of them would like
to lead the meditation next Saturday at the Peace Meditation.
GLORIA: Well, they are always there. Anyway, this is my RSVP. I plan to come,
and if I'm there, I will be glad to channel it.
EDITH: I have another question. How are we to receive information as to how we
should structure our Hadiki activities, responsibilities, and responsibilities to each other?
Will the Temple Teachers help us with this, or is this strictly something that the members
on this physical level have to do for themselves?
GLORIA: Outside of the advice that they volunteer for us, it is up to us.
EDITH: They are not telling us there are certain things we should do, such as make
soap.
GLORIA: They already gave us that in that letter. I told you what they had said.
(some discussion on what already suggested -- see Circle #126 and earlier Hadiki
information)
BETTY: With butterflies in my stomach, I will volunteer for the October 20th
program.
GLORIA: Oh, bless you. Wonderful.
OWEN: I'd like to go back and address the forest thing. The Teacher made the
statement this morning that we hear the loudest voice, which doesn't necessarily represent
what the true situation is. And the loudest voice usually preys on our emotions. On
whatever issue you can expect extreme over-statements on both sides, very loud, working
on our emotions. (Gloria agreeing) And, in every environmental situation you can
always find horrible examples which the extremists will use and magnify. So it's very
easy to point to examples that illustrate the point that they wish to make. I think it would
be most appropriate if we could develop (possibly as a Hadiki project) some guide lines
in our own minds as to what is ideal and what is appropriate so we could filter what is
coming from both sides, because there are all kinds of accusations and illustrations that
may be valid for a particular extreme situation that really are more distracting from the
ideal situation than they are helpful. There is always room for improvement, but I think
we've been given some guidelines that are a little different than what either private
industry or foresters, or the Forest Service or the Park Service are basing their
management on.
BETTY: I have come from the point of being very naive in believing what I was told
through the media and what the government told us was for our best. Daughter was way
out on the other end, and we thought, "This kid is way out. We love her, but she is way
out." But what we have discovered over and over, reading, you'd find it in the fine print
some place that this is actually going on. When I hear it three places, then I begin to
think, well OK. A lot of this is ridiculous.
Just for instance, the woman that works for me in the post office, her husband
works at a sawmill. He's worked there for years. The sawmill cut off a shift. He got
another job, but he stayed on unemployment for longer. There were other jobs in
between, but he could make more on unemployment than he could taking one of those
jobs. He finally got another job, and then the sawmill called and said he could come
back. He quit this other job and went back to the sawmill. He's working in the sawmill
in a place where he has to wear a full rubber suit, gloves, even a hat, because he's
working in chemicals dipping lumber, chemicals that are horrible. They cut off the ends
of these and throw them in a pile and leave them there, and then people come for free
wood. People come with their kids and pick them up. People in the lumber mill are not
allowed to touch them without gloves. They throw the pieces into their pickup, and they
don't even tell these people what they're handling. And they take it home to burn in their
wood stoves, and they're handling it bare handed. This guy is working in this situation,
he knows the job is temporary, it's not going to go on, it's endangering him every day.
And yet he's doing it because he can make more money than he can someplace else. This
is the way that I see a lot of industry doing.
It's amazing what part of the old-growth is left. The whole thing is that until I
walked in the old-growth -- it was a spiritual experience for me. There is just nothing
like it. Until I walked with a teacher, and she explained all about the logs that are down,
the lice that live in them, and that when they log and they push it all up and burn it in a
clear-cut, there is nothing left for the mold and the fungus, the penicillin that saves lives.
Even if they would just log part of it and leave the other to rot and to build top soil, we'd
be better off. They yell at the farmers for burning their fields. Hey, I've always said I'd
rather have the fields burn than have the pesticides. But a lot of times when all this
smoke is in the air, it's they're burning slash. It's not the farmer that's doing it anyway.
The farmer is doing plenty of stupid, lousy, horrible things. A lot of times we're avoiding
this because it brings in the money. They stopped all of this because of the spotted owl,
and yet when I drove up to Washington and back, there were more logs in all the yards
than I had ever seen. You know, there is a hypocrisy going on someplace along the line
and this is what disturbs me. If you read any of the magazines -- at Breitenbush now,
they really want to save it. They always say, "Hey, don't go out on a limb. Don't do
anything stupid. Don't put spikes and that. Work from reason, work from logic, work
from what is in your heart, not in the extreme.
And the person who brought up the spotted owl, she went out purposely looking
for a species that might be eliminated as an excuse to hang on to some of the old-growth.
And they talk about all the forests and everything that we're saving and everything, and a
lot of that is above timberline. You go over in Idaho in the Sawtooth National Forest,
and you see maybe one scrubby little juniper in about 20 miles. That's National Forest,
and yet they count that as all the acreage that we're saving. What does it hurt us to
rearrange. The building people say, "Hey we could build buildings with a lot less lumber
with the materials we have now, but we have all these rules and regulations that say we
have to use this size and this size and this size." That's perfectly ridiculous -- we don't
need to do that. These are the kinds of things that we need to balance in our lives. And
some of it we need to save just so people like me can go out and hug a tree.
OWEN: Gee, come up and hug my trees.
BETTY: I have. I went to the Lewis and Clark yesterday -- the giant trees there
have a different feel.
EDITH: Did you have some questions?
OWEN: I think we need to work out (an understanding and image of the ideal
situation). I think this would be a good Hadiki project. (several expressions of
agreement) We have representation of various points of view.
BETTY: I don't know what is right. All I know is that some of it has to be saved.
When we do it as pure greed, it doesn't work. I don't have the knowledge. All I know is
where I used to close my eyes, I'm very intent on saving as much as we can.
OWEN: I think the point was made this morning that the technology is available to
show what can be utilized and how much can be utilized without damaging the resource
and damaging the ecosystems.
GLORIA: What we need to do in Hadiki is to fight the bureaucracy, the money
grabbers.
OWEN: The tools are available. The application may be lagging.
BETTY: These people say, "There is not problem". Just like Bull Run, they say,
"That will give us more water if we cut all that out." What they have discovered is that
the trees were keeping the moisture, the clouds and everything. It wasn't just the pure
rain, and there actually was more water when they had trees on it. Now there isn't as
much, because the trees don't save it.
OWEN: Everybody seems to assume that when you clear cut, you destroy a forest.
It is replanted immediately. You've got young forest coming. This (cutting) doesn't all
occur at once -- it's over a long period of time, so you've got many age classes
represented up there in the Bull Run. They do not have any statistics that show there has
been any damage to water quality as a result of logging. The City of Portland has the
data.
GLORIA: Whoa! We have gotten way away from what we're here for. This is a
Hadiki discussion that you're having. Let's hold it for the Hadiki.
I think we need to have a Hadiki meeting very shortly to discuss what Owen and
Betty are talking about, and perhaps establish some Hadiki community attitude and
activities for those who want to become involved in this issue. So after we're through
here, get together and set a time, and let me know where and when. And I will try to be
there.
CONCLUSIONS FROM GENERAL DISCUSSION:
(The November channeling session will be on the 17th, the October session on
the 20th. And we will keep our channeling sessions and Hadiki sessions separate. Peace
meditations will be on October 26 and November 30. A Hadiki meeting after a Peace
Meditation would be perfectly fine, except for Sidney who works Saturdays.)
(Plans for the Christmas party are flexible. If Myra can't have it, Jean
volunteered to have it.)
(Channeling sessions will be more of a worship time and separate from Hadiki
sessions which would be more of a work shop or discussion or business meeting, and
could come at any other time agreed upon. Study Group would be devoted to study of
Transcripts. All four types of meetings are open.)
(Vivian and Edith are still to receive Initiation. While Bill was a Circle
alternate, he was not a member of the closed Circle because he couldn't commit the time.
Initiation will probably be whenever Enid makes herself available.)
JEAN: If we have "open" sessions (of whatever kind), then it changes the nature of
what happens a little bit. If we have "closed" again, it does change the nature of what
happens.
SIDNEY: How does it change the nature? Is it just because different energies are
present?
JEAN: Yes, because if you have a closed group, people have committed a whole
lot, they understand a whole lot, and there is a lot of trust. If you have open, then it takes
some time to build up trust. Individuals are not as open. There is a different nature of the
group.
GLORIA: One thing that you must not overlook is that the Teachers will have a great
deal of influence on who comes, who gets the word and wants to come. It's not like a
church that publishes their services in the newspaper, so it is unlikely that anyone would
come who is not trustworthy in the first place that the Teachers would approve of.
BETTY: I think we can take some responsibility in that. Any invitation should be
first to Hadiki, and then if someone asks, then they may be invited.
GLORIA: That's right. Let them ask to come in. We are not evangelists. We have
been told time and again that we are not to apostatize (or proselytize). We come of our
own volition on our own responsibility. If someone asks to come, then it's open to that
extent.
JEAN: I appreciate this clearing up because Betty Holland and maybe her husband
would like to find out more about it. Another person who is fighting cancer would also
like to know more about it. I appreciate the clarification that everything is open.
GLORIA: This is digressing from what we would normally be doing, but we are in
the process of building what we are doing. Normally we wouldn't have this kind of
discussion except in the announcements period. Once we have the channeling and the
question and answer portion, then we should go to a closing. But because we are just
beginning, we've got to have a discussion.
JONI: I would think that a study group environment would be more appropriate to
introduce people not familiar with this to the concepts.
GLORIA: Yes. I think that before a person does come to this Sunday morning
meeting, they should have some acquaintance with the transcripts and know what they
are getting into. Because they could be hit like a dash of cold water -- to people not
acquainted with the Teachings this would sound like a lot of hocus pocus mumbo jumbo
because they wouldn't understand the depth of what lies behind it. So I think that when
someone asks to come, the person who is asked needs to determine whether it is just out
of curiosity or not. They need to offer to the person some of the transcripts to read of
some of the Cosmic Connection issues, something that will acquaint them with what
we're doing.
BETTY: And then invite them to the study group. And then if they don't come to
the study group…
GLORIA: They are just curiosity seekers, and to me, I would not welcome them that
readily.
MYRA: What about our study group though?
GLORIA: Only I think on specific invitation. I don't think it needs to be broadcast
that we meet for study group at such and such a time and place and anybody's welcome.
I don't think it is open to that extent. What I'm saying is that we're no longer a closed
group where nobody else can elbow their way in.
For a Christmas party I would hope that everybody would bring friends and
family and whoever would be interested. That's a time of joyous celebration.
The Peace Meditation is completely open -- it was started as an entirely separate
activity. A lot of people are interested in the Peace Meditation that are not interested in
our channeling activities.
BETTY: A little problem with the Peace Meditation is we are so oriented that it
seems very strange for persons unfamiliar with our invocations.
MYRA: So, as long as we explain what we are going to be doing to the people we
bring, why not?
GLORIA: OK. To bring us back to where we were before this started, let's take the
Key part of Aspiration as our closing meditation, and then we'll sing our closing song.
(Discussion of scheduling a Hadiki meeting.)
You can have Hadiki meeting after the channeling. It is just that if we are going to
have a reverent expression of our love and gratitude, we need to keep business out of it.
Let's do it afterwards, not during.
We will schedule Hadiki October 20, after channeling, at Jean's. (Suggested
that this include a pot luck. No dissent.)
GLORIA: We'll trust to Owen's discretion in reporting of the group discussions.
(Highlights and decisions reported.) I think that is the only way to go, unless the
Teachers say, and they have told me that they are going to finish the Wheel of Karma,
and it probably will take place during this kind of a channeling session, although it could
happen any time. I think they will let us know. I think that will be very clear that that
needs to be transcribed verbatim.
SIDNEY: I can see it now. Owen writes everything down that he said, with a little
aside, "Betty disagreed." (great levity)
BETTY: One more clarification. On the Hadiki meetings, do you want to take
leadership or do you want someone else to take leadership?
GLORIA: I would prefer someone else to take leadership. I'm just a go between. I
can do that with joy. (Sidney accepted responsibility for being the "conciliator" of the
Hadiki meeting October 20.)
JEAN: If someone else takes the leadership, how does that affect the channeling in
the worship service?
GLORIA: I would hope that the person who plans the program (for the worship
service) will allow a time for the channeling. (laughter) If they don't, I'll just enjoy the
program.
JEAN: Let's have the business come after the worship at the Hadiki meeting.
GLORIA: (Into the closing part of the service as per Gloria's printed program. Quoting
from the Cosmic Key, ASPIRATION:) "This Beatitude at the beginning of the Sermon
on the Mount is to make a point that man has lost touch with his innate ability to 'walk
with God.'" And I think that's what our need is here, that we're trying to work with in
having this kind of service, is to get in touch with that part of us that walks in faith, that
can walk with God."That is, to fully experience the vital principle of life. Hidden within
this statement is the importance of aspiration." Silverthistle here when he says
"statement", he's talking about "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of
Heaven"."Hidden within this statement is the importance of aspiration. This initial Key
assures mankind of mankind's blessedness, and states to what mankind can aspire. If one
aspires to the riches of the material realm he finds vanity and deception, but aspiration to
the spiritual realm relieves him of the need for pride, arrogance, and prejudice." And that
sure fits in with what was said this morning, doesn't it. Amazing how they put things
together.
One thing I would like to point out to you -- it's not a typographical error. I
would like you to say "Let there be peace on Earth", and "Let there be joy in Earth." It
makes quite a difference. We are in Earth, and we need to take joy in that. (Closed
standing, holding hands, and singing "Let there be peace on Earth", and "Let there be joy
in Earth".)
(Transcribed by Owen)
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