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Tuesday Session #3 – November 2, 1982
Gloria’s Circle
(No record of those present other than Gloria Ruth with Silverthistle.)
SILVERTHISTLE: And how are you feeling this evening?
STUDENT: How are you feeling, Silverthistle?
SILVERTHISTLE: We are doing well, thank you.
STUDENT: Did you like our singing?
SILVERTHISTLE: Your efforts are indeed getting better.
STUDENT: Are you and your presence here or elsewhere?
SILVERTHISTLE: Of course, I must say both, because there is not limitation of the physical
quite as much (in) evidence, as I have said before. I am in the SPIRIT PHYSICAL, so there are
certain physical conditions to my existence, but that is because this is a realm in which I have
chosen to work at this particular time.
Now, to answer the first part of your question. (TEACHER PRESENCE IN
PHYSICAL) I am in your presence, as you say, but not constantly. If you will accept the analogy
of the light bulb, for instance. The light flashes in cycles, although your eyes see it as a steady
beam. Life in essence also cycles, but you see your reality in steady beams. It is not, however, a
steady beam; it is a constant cycling, but in such cycles as impossible for your consciousness at this
time to recognize. Thus I too am in cycles and at times coincide with your cycle, and at that time I
can be with you. But my consciousness enables me to intermesh with other cycles, so in effect, I
can be in more places than one at the same time. But my presence at any particular place or time or
cycle depends upon the degree with which I concentrate my attention. When there is a similarity of
thoughts or a peak in consciousness emotional crisis, I may be called to you at that time, but more
likely only as I relate to those who are in charge of your life. That is not one of my functions.
Does that make it sufficiently clear to you?
STUDENT: Thank you -- yes it does. One further thought: you spoke of your spiritual
physical self. With coming to us as you do, we very greatly appreciate because we do want your
help. This one thought: I'm speaking out with no background whatever -- when you are not in the
spiritual physical sphere, then are you one of the great masses of energy of spirit?
SILVERTHISTLE: We are all one of the great masses of energy. You at this particular moment
have a certain portion of your facility for attention focused into this reality you call physical planet
Earth. But you are at all times functioning in other REALITIES as well. The links between the
consciousness of the separate realities are so nebulous as to be immaterial to you most of the time.
You do enter consciousness into other realities from this reality in the DREAM STATE and at
times in MEDITATION, but the unit of energy which ultimately joins with another and another and
another unit of energy which ultimately becomes a solid form to you, is still outside the scope of
your present technological understanding. We will from time to time refer to these units of energy
by the term "ERT". At a later time we will have a lesson in the disquietudes of physics.
STUDENT: Last time, Silverthistle, you said happiness was not a permanent state. So I was
wondering about the other states, such as the importance -- in comparison to happiness -- of
compassion, hate, and humility. (phone ringing)
SILVERTHISTLE: Is it your wish that I continue with the answer to your question at this
moment?
STUDENT: Yes, please. (requested to repeat the question) Last time someone spoke of
happiness, and Silverthistle said it was not a permanent state. So I wanted to get his opinion on
other states like love, hate, and humility.
SILVERTHISTLE: These are STATES OF CONSCIOUSNESS, and consciousness is not a
constant thing -- you use "permanent". There is not such thing as permanent insofar as states of
being are concerned, with the exception of the ultimate NO THING. That ultimate No Thing from
which all things are born is beyond the state of description, especially to your finite mind. But your
state of consciousness, while inconstant, continues to cycle, and thus to some degree is permanent
on a temporary basis, which appears to be a dichotomy, but it is the best way to describe it to you.
No one in any consciousness remains constantly at the same level or intensity of any emotion. The
most humble of consciousnesses is not always as humble at one time as it may be at another. There
is no one that is without pride at some time.
STUDENT: Thank you. That does clarify my question. I have been reading the SETH
material -- do you know Seth?
SILVERTHISTLE:I know of that which you speak, but to me, Seth is not an individual but a
state of being.
STUDENT: I was reading where he said Jesus had reincarnated three times. Do you concur
with that?
SILVERTHISTLE: No, I do not.
STUDENT: Thank you. Silverthistle, speaking of Jesus and the disciples, have any of the other
DISCIPLES in the Christian teaching and Bible -- have they been reincarnated?
SILVERTHISTLE: Yes they have, and some are incarnate now. At the time that we go through
the series of lessons on cosmology, the matter of Jesus and the nature of the Christ will be brought
forth. Those lessons are to be presented to you by another.
STUDENT: Silverthistle, this is Bill talking. Do you have an organized society or
something similar to that as we have here on earth. We would like to know about marriage, family,
children, and modes of transportation.
SILVERTHISTLE: (SPIRIT PHYSICAL, LIFE IN) Yes, we have a structure, an organization if
you will, and indeed in this sphere in which I now exist, we have a structure very similar to the
physical world in which you live.We have family, we have sex, children are gestated, there is
birth, education -- there are all those things which you have and many more, but what you see in
the physical, as for instance a flower, may appear as a beautiful melody in my sphere.
As for modes of transportation, we are not limited by the condensations of energy
which you meet as resistance in your existence where you may walk through a darkened room and
stub your shin against a table. A solid object which you call your leg has come against a resistance
in a form of a table. All have resistances in our sphere also, but not of that kind. The resistances,
as I can best describe to you, are resistances of the mind and of the heart.
The physicality of our realm is molded by our THOUGHTS, and thus can be changed
in the instant. (MANIFESTATION IN SPIRIT PHYSICAL) Thus we must be more careful about
what we think than you, for your physical world has been thought by others as well as yourself. As
I construct a physical object through molding energy into a form, when I meet with another in my
sphere, the mental attitude with which we meet each other then affects this thing which I have
created, and it thus becomes changed as necessary. If I want to be in the vicinity of a particular
person, I need only think myself there. I do not have to get in a vehicle and travel through space as
you do.
STUDENT: Thank you. You can go from one planet actually to another planet, or visit
other spheres and entirely different environments?
SILVERTHISTLE: This is quite true. From where I view you, you are a state of consciousness
to me. So are all the other planets in your solar system, and the sun as well -- these are all STATES
OF CONSCIOUSNESS. Now, there are many REALITIES interposed with this reality which is
your physical world. To some degree I can meld with these other realities and function within
them. You do this to a certain degree when you leave your home and you go into a store. At that
moment you are melding with the reality of the store. Your home only becomes real to you and
(when) you focus your attention back to it. You may think that it exists while you are gone from it,
but does it actually?
As another passes down the street and sees your house with you gone, that house has a
certain reality for that individual, but it is not the same reality that it has for you as you think about
the house while you are in the store. And to realize further how imperfect this consciousness of the
reality of your home may be, when you go to buy some adornment for your home, and you try to
match a color for instance, if you have not with you something of that color, you are quite apt to
bring home something which does not match. Thus the reality of the home while you were in the
store was not as the reality is when you are in the home. Can you comprehend what I'm trying to
convey? STUDENT: Yes I can. There is one more question. Are there other planets the
same as ours with human beings just the way we are, or are we the only ones?
SILVERTHISTLE: There are other states of consciousness similar to this certainly, but not
identical.
STUDENT: Are they more advanced in technology, physically, mentally, and other things?
SILVERTHISTLE: And that, there have been CIVILIZATIONS upon this planet, that is to say,
within this sphere of consciousness, that have been much further technically advanced than you are
now. There are also further advancements in technology in other consciousness. But these are also
in cycle, so there will be peak and crisis and bottoming out. Everything rises and falls and rises
again. Thus you have birth and death in everything, but nothing ever is lost; it is only recycled.
STUDENT: It is going to take us a long time to achieve what we are probably supposed to
achieve, to get to the peak, or are we just at the bottom line?
SILVERTHISTLE: Again, you are talking about a state of consciousness and comprehension of
that consciousness. There is much yet to be discovered about this state of consciousness, much of
which has been discovered in the far past and thus is only to be rediscovered.The ultimate
causation or hope for the future is that in each rediscovery, that which is discovered is used for a
better purpose.
STUDENT: Silverthistle, your mention of recycling -- isn't that the secret of our spiritual
development? As we recycle time after time we get closer into the Divine world -- it gets better
and better as we develop.
SILVERTHISTLE:That is the state of consciousness's concept of what is happening.Actually
you are GOD IN EVOLUTION. In order for God to experience itself, It becomes complexified at a
certain point. In that complexification there is then the beginning of an ultimate process of
simplification. Again, a cycling. There are certain constructs of your being which are in the
process of complexification. Thus, you might say that you are evolving out of God.
At the same time there are certain constructs of your consciousness which are in the
process of simplification. And thus you might say that you are evolving yourself into God. The
cultist tends to turn the tables around and say that God is evolving itself into the realm of the
physical, but this does not make sense, for God is not separate from the physical and thus cannot
extend itself to be involved in the physical. It can only evolve the physical out of itself.
STUDENT: I get some comfort with the thought that anything of beauty in the way of nature
or any expression of love from anyone whom I happen to be with is an expression of God.
SILVERTHISTLE:That is true, and man has chosen to say that is a comfort to him. But be
advised, be aware that all things are GOD. What you call evil, the ills of mankind, are still God but
an imperfect picture. And these you do not see (in) the purpose or placement in the scheme of
Divine order.
STUDENT: That expresses my thought better than I could. Thank you. That leads to one of
my questions regarding the acts of God and disasters. These serve a purpose. It's a lesson to
mankind, and somebody told me that it was the purpose of these disasters and wars to eliminate the
over abundance of people or to teach us a lesson.
SILVERTHISTLE: Of course it's in the nature of both, for all experience may be turned into
lessons. But SPIRIT EARTH must protect herself, and thus when man reaches that point at which
Spirit Earth is jeopardized and Spirit Earth must respond to the thoughts of the creatures which feed
upon her. And you will then find these acts of God which may be in the appearance of
CATASTROPHE, but they are in actual fact a cleansing of pollution.
STUDENT: Thank you. I have been very interested in ASTRAL PROJECTION. Is it
wrong for me to be concerned about such a phenomenon?
SILVERTHISTLE: Certainly not. That is a proper and indeed a necessary function of the
SPIRIT embodied in the physical. It is only possible for the spirit to be renewed as it can separate
itself from the dense form which it must inhabit in this consciousness. As you sleep this occurs
spontaneously. And when you awaken in the morning still feeling tired, it is because you have not
been sufficiently exposed to SPIRIT RENEWAL through the separation of the ASTRAL from the
physical.
As you learn to do this in consciousness, there are other renewals which are then
available to you. But this kind of experience has its dangers as well. As you know, you do not go
through a physically conscious day without encountering situations which bring forth a sense of
fear, guilt, foreboding, apprehension, and you are aware of the consequences of having these
sensitivities within you. Just because you have gone to sleep in the physical, and the wakeful part
of you is functioning in the Astral does not cancel out this fear of experience. Consequently,
during the state of ASTRAL PROJECTION you are apt to encounter negative influences or
negative situations. These should not deter from this experience any more than the threat of attack
deters you from leaving your home. In the same way you can protect your physical. You can
protect all your other SUBTLE BODIES, and indeed in time you will come to understand how the
subtle bodies operate to protect the physical, rather than the reverse.
STUDENT: Silverthistle, you mentioned many civilizations. Have you been a recent
incarnate in this civilization or prior to this one?
SILVERTHISTLE: (REINCARNATION) I have been a participant in all the civilizations of
this planet, as indeed all of you in this room have.
STUDENT: A good time for the healing session -- could we do that?
SILVERTHISTLE: Yes indeed, if you feel you are ready for it. We must not close without a
healing.
STUDENT: I wish someone would give me some strength and something I can get with it.
I'm trying, but I don't know what's the matter with my mind. It just wonders, thinking. I can't --
shouldn't say that -- how can I get rid of my thoughts and just let go?
STUDENT: Do you prefer to have the healing at the end of this session?
SILVERTHISTLE: I have no preference for this. The point is that the healing should be
undertaken when all attention is focused with a high degree of intensity. If you are ready at this
time ... take several deep breaths and rub your palms briskly together to generate energy. Oh my,
you are doing a spectacular job. We are getting like stars here. That is beautiful. ... Very good.
Now rest your hands and bring into the circle those who are of concern to you. ....
Let us also bring into our thoughts those who are in TRANSITION from your world.
Whenever you participate in a healing such as this, do give thought to those who are in transition
for they do benefit from your prayers. So now again rub your hands together and begin to envision
the scintillating blue and green light. Make it sparkle. .. That's very good. .. Now direct the energy
to the center of the circle. Try to see the light as it streams from the palms of your hands. As you
direct your palms towards the center of the circle, there will be beams of light emanating from the
center of your palms. Now even though you may not be able to visibly see this light, visualize it in
your imagination. See those beams moving forth from the palms of your hands meeting all other
beams and building into a big ball of scintillating light as though a meteor were streaming across
the sky. And by your very thoughts you have brought a portion of the consciousness you have
named into this circle. And as that ball of light scintillates and the energy moves, it moves into that
portion of consciousness. And then as consciousness returns to its home, the healing is taken with
it.
And now envision that ball of light getting larger and larger until, like a cloud, a
sparkling scintillating cloud, it envelopes all of you here. And as you breathe in, you breathe in
these energies and you feel your bodies responding. You feel the energy moving into the blood
stream with the oxygen, and the healing goes into all parts of your physical body. But by the very
nature of this essence which you have brought into being, it all permeates your emotions and your
mind and all of the subtle bodies permeate to yourselves. And thus the healing goes throughout
your entire being and not just into your physical body.
Add more power to this ball of light. Cause it to grow and spread until it surrounds the
entire globe thus bringing its healing to the leaders of nations and to those in need wherever they
may be. And even as you do this, you bless the sphere in which I live and many others of which
you can never be conscious in this state of being. And now bless the light and bring your palms
together to seal the healing within yourselves. And give thanks.
STUDENT: Thank you. SILVERTHISTLE: And we here thank you for your effort and bless
you.
STUDENT: Silverthistle, I often think of the teaching of my mother. She used to mention to
me that when a family member makes a transition, that we would be together again, meaning of
course, the family members together again. Would you comment on this please?
SILVERTHISTLE: This is quite true. FAMILY members are together for a purpose. The
intention of life precedes this physical existence and continues after it. Family members are bound
together by certain INTENTIONS and thus are and have been together before and must need to be
together after. However, the relationship to which you look foreword will be different from what
you expect.
In the first moments of TRANSITION, family members may be there to assist, and in
this way provide a great comfort and help. But there are times when family members may not be
available, and others are sent to help.Depending upon the consciousness or state of enlightenment
at the time transition occurs, one will join certain groups of thought, and at times may be taken into
other Intentions before being brought back to that Intention which made up the family from which
he may have just departed.
Do not envision a family reunion with hundreds of people at picnic tables when you
make your transition. If that is the picture in your mind, it will be so for a certain period of time,
but it will be similar to what a vision is to you in this daily consciousness. In other words, it will be
something of a fleeting impression rather than a practicing reality.
STUDENT: Thank you. One thing, at the very beginning you said how you were with us, if
we could feel you at one time. Are we organized enough as a group now? If we felt we needed
your presence, could we call on you individually throughout the rest of the week?
SILVERTHISTLE: Yes, of course you could do so, and at any time that you are thinking about
the things which are discussed here. You call to you a portion of my attention or my
consciousness, and thus I can become a reality to you at any time. Just because you think of me
does not interfere with what I may be doing at any particular time. In your own state of
consciousness you know that you can think of a dear one, and that person may then be found to call
you on the telephone or write you a letter or come to see you. That activity does not necessarily
then interfere with that person's routine, but in the usual course of your daily routine, you should
seek to find those GUIDES and TEACHERS who are sent to be with you individually.
STUDENT: How can we find them?
SILVERTHISTLE: By thinking about them and asking them to come and make themselves
known.
STUDENT: Silverthistle, do you know our thoughts without us asking the questions -- do
you know how we feel?
SILVERTHISTLE: (MIND READING) I am probably a better telepath than you are, but I do
not make a practice of invading people's thoughts, as indeed, your thoughts are as private as your
bodies or your homes. I cannot come without invitation.
STUDENT: Thank you. Along this same line, I have, over a period of time, discussed and
asked about these things (with) some people that are qualified. (They) have told me just to think,
and others have told me (that) when I'm alone in my home or someplace, I can verbally audibly ask
questions, possibly for more effect. Would you care to comment on that?
SILVERTHISTLE: One of the greatest powers which you in the physical possess is the power
of SOUND. You can by verbal decree MANIFEST anything you desire. When you speak, you set
in force the THOUGHT behind the words and create the motions by which these forceful thoughts
are carried throughout the world and into other spheres of experience. It is most certainly more
powerful to speak out loud the things that you desire -- you have as witness to this fact the ancient
practice of LITURGY and ritual.
STUDENT: Would prayer be more effective if we say it out loud?
SILVERTHISTLE: Provided you do not say it on the street corner but in the privacy of your
own chamber.
STUDENT: Good answer -- too many street corner prayers now. Thank you. A question
further: these oral questions are audible. If I follow with very sincere belief and thought, do my
helpers hear this?
SILVERTHISTLE: Yes. The first recipient of the impact would be your own helpers
(GUIDES), but you have the power to send your thoughts around and around this planet and indeed
way out into space.
STUDENT: On this same trend or thought we are talking about, we can do this same thing
with our negative thoughts too. We have to be very careful, don't we, to have positive thoughts and
love for our fellow human beings when we are doing this?
SILVERTHISTLE: That is very true, and this goes back to what we were saying earlier about
"acts of God", as you called them. What you see as ACTS OF GOD are the responses of SPIRIT
EARTH to the thoughts and feelings and words of those creatures which depend on Spirit Earth for
subsistence. Thus, if you abuse, you pay the price.
STUDENT: We have to be careful of our intellectual uses, don't we?
SILVERTHISTLE: Yes. This is why your holy book teaches that it is as sinful to think murder
as to commit murder.
STUDENT: In view of the nuclear weapons race then, all these thoughts that they have
behind the manufacture of nuclear weapons will probably have a disastrous effect unavoidably,
don't you think so? Or do you think they will stop the manufacturing?
SILVERTHISTLE: Just because the nuclear arms have the power that they have, does not
necessitate the consequence of the use of that power. There is inherent in electricity that same
destructive force, but so long as it is used only to light your lamp, it then becomes a beneficial
attribute to your existence. If the arms race will prevent war because each side is fearful of what
the other side may have, then the ultimate consequence of destruction may be averted. What you
must beware of are those that you put in power -- whether they have the necessary character to
avoid being panicked.
STUDENT: So right! We don't know what kind of characters we have now.
In previous civilizations did they go through the same or similar things -- an example
of the atomic bomb and the arms race we are talking about?
SILVERTHISTLE: Similar, yes, but different in that the technological knowledge was advanced
to the point where they understood the use of SOUND. And in your holy book is told the story of
JERICO, and while this is legendary, it is based in fact. You know by simple experiment the power
of sound to shatter a glass. And this can be amplified to where sound can shatter planet Earth.
Nuclear fission doesn't hold a candle.
STUDENT: It would take more than that to demolish the Earth then. I have a question: I
read so much about the legendary ATLANTIS -- did that actually exist at one time?
SILVERTHISTLE: It is one of the many civilizations which have existed upon this planet, yes.
Naturally there are distortions in its current description, because the way in which knowledge of
that civilization is obtained comes through such intelligence as you are now receiving, and it is
open to interpretation. (CHANNELLED INFORMATION)
STUDENT: Do you have some comment on Atlantis as to what it was like?
SILVERTHISTLE: We will have a discussion in the future about these past civilizations.
STUDENT: I would like to ask a question about the planets. Some time ago I was listening to a
program on astronomers, and they have now telescopes that are so powerful that they can go further
than they have before. They have calculated that there are ten planets to every human being living
on this Earth today.
SILVERTHISTLE: I'm not exactly sure as to what you are talking about as far as numbers are
concerned. If you are suggesting that there are ten planets in this solar system for each human
being upon planet Earth, I cannot give you concurrence in that.I can only say that the
circumstances of PHYSICAL REALITY depend upon what is perceived, so that when a scientist
may look through such a telescope and perceives such a thing, then it becomes a reality to him and
to anyone else who can visibly experience this same thing. Since these PLANETS are only states
of consciousness anyway, they change in cycles as does the light from your lamp, as given earlier
this evening.
STUDENT: Thank you. I would like to ask you about UFO's. I believe in them and I think
I've seen some. Do you know something about these?
SILVERTHISTLE: Since U F O represents "UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT", I must say
yes, they exist. But not every UFO has the same source. These things that you witness are at times
from your own planet and sometimes from other states of consciousness.
STUDENT: But are there any creatures -- maybe "creatures" is not the right word? Are
there any living creatures on those UFO's, or physical beings?
SILVERTHISTLE: They would be physical beings in that state of consciousness from which
they come. But, as they might be perceived by creatures on Earth, their reality may not be as it was
or is to themselves.
STUDENT: You mentioned that happiness was not a constant state. Does this go along with
the theory or perception that our Earth and the Universe is always in constant change?
SILVERTHISTLE: Yes.
STUDENT: Sometimes you hear of a person that is terminally ill. They have, say a month
left to live. Don't you think it's a waste of time to try and heal them?
SILVERTHISTLE: This question demonstrates a misunderstanding about the process of
HEALING as we practice it. It is not within the purview of any individual to declare a cure for
another. Healing may come in the form of what you call DEATH, so that one may then acquire a
full and complete and painless body. Thus, praying or decreeing or practicing for healing is always
a viable enterprise and indeed obligatory. It is not for the individual to judge whether that person is
"terminal" of not, as death does not truly exist.
STUDENT: Thank you. I understand.
SILVERTHISTLE: I do believe that it is time for me to retire for this evening. I will bid you
good night and God speed that we meet again soon. Thank you and good night.
(Thank you's and good night's from the group.)
(Typed to disc by Owen)
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